Monday is a Big Day

[Fritz]

Finally watched the interview.

Rodgers is just pushing for a long term contract again where he can't be traded. Pretty clear to me that Gute has to go. He's much more replacable than Rodgers and I'm not happy with his last 2 drafts. The FO needs an overall. Brandon is right: they are clueless and arrogant.

They may be arrogant - they are apparently operating as if it's still 1997 - the front office makes decisions and the players play. But they are not "clueless."

The question is whether the front office - Murphy and Gutekunst - is willing to eat a little humble pie and learn something from all this, and then changing their behaviors going forward, or whether they're going to go all authoritarian.

[SudsMcBucky]

Finally watched the interview.

Rodgers is just pushing for a long term contract again where he can't be traded. Pretty clear to me that Gute has to go. He's much more replacable than Rodgers and I'm not happy with his last 2 drafts. The FO needs an overall. Brandon is right: they are clueless and arrogant.

I agree last year's draft was a shit show, but I really liked what he did this year. I think you're going to be surprised by how good Stokes will be.

[Fritz]

Well, I hope you are correct.

As for the bigger issue, I have been saying that Gutekunst will need to publicly declare that Rodgers is going to be listened to, and that Rodgers is THE guy for at least the next two or three years (guaranteed in the form of a new contract).

Is that the best move for keeping Rodgers and taking a shot this year? Yes.

Is it the best move for the organization as a whole? I'm not sure. I do think the Packers have not kept up with the times, and it's ridiculous to expect someone of Rodgers's stature and abilities and passive-aggressive hostile nature to just shut up and play. You can't operate like you're Ron Wolf in 1995 or even Ted Thompson in 2008. On the other hand, if you cave in to Rodgers, you're putting every egg in the 2021 and 2022 baskets, knowing that after that the weight of the salries they've accumulated will cause the whole thing to collapse, and you will have kowtowed completely to one player - swinging from one extreme to the opposite. I'm not sure that's the best move for the long-term health of the franchise.

[King Friday]

Rodgers will be done in Green Bay in a few years regardless of anything. The Packers will still be in Green Bay for decades to come. As the smallest TV market in the NFL (by a lot) they do have to run their business a little different from most other teams. That is a point that Rodgers has failed to acknowledge. I hear his point of view...but had anyone heard the true viewpoint from the front office? There certainly could be some legitimate points of view on their side that would be a very powerful rebuke to Rodgers' "it's about the people" mantra.

That is not to say the front office doesn't have plenty of blame in this...just that most items in the media are one sided toward Rodgers because that is what will get the clicks. Other teams fans don't give a crap about what the Packers front office has to say. They just want to find out how their team can get Rodgers.

[wist43]

Gute has been better than Thompson IMO, but as I said in another post - he's tone deaf. There's more to the job than just making picks and signing FA's. Those are the biggest aspects of the job, but player and public relations are just as important.

I think Gute is beginning to get a reputation around the league that he is an arrogant, rigid, asshole.

[Bretsky]

What if Love turns out to be good (like Rodgers was)? Is it still stupid?

Are you predicting Love is going to be that good ? If Love turns out to be in consideration for one of the greatest QB's of all time I'll be happily wrong. Time will tell. My view could be spot on or wrong

[Bretsky]

All hearsay. You should quit listening to these guys. None of these guys are that in the know. Some of this is just plain false. The Rodgers-Elway golfing rumor has been debunked. It’s more likely that Hawk, Kuhn, and Jones are more plugged in. They all think he’ll play for the Packers this year.

I think you should give them way more credit. I do value Kuhn on the same level. All three of those guys are IMO in the know some on Rodgers as well as the organization.
Wilde predicted all of this chaos between Rodgers and Gute right after the season ended. He's has a ton of interraction with AROD since he got here. And he's not all pro player. He's often stated how personable and nice and social AROD was in his first five years here. He's also stated he has never witnessed a player's tone and personality change more over the past ten years than Rodgers. Wilde has good relations with all of the guys who cover the Packers as well as many of the players.

I was not aware the golfing was debunked; I actually thought it was confirmed.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Are you predicting Love is going to be that good ? If Love turns out to be in consideration for one of the greatest QB's of all time I'll be happily wrong. Time will tell. My view could be spot on or wrong

He doesn't need to be one of the greatest QBs of all-time. He just needs to be good enough. His contract is going to allow the Packers to build a better team around him.

You cherry pick some scouting reports or insinuate a lack of training camp praise (when there wasn't much training camp to speak of) means he's going to be a bust. Watch his tape... particularly the 2018 season. Let me know what you think. I think he looked good. However, I'm not the one overreacting to every media report out there. He could be bad, average, good, or great. I'm willing to let it play out before overreacting.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I think you should give them way more credit. I do value Kuhn on the same level. All three of those guys are IMO in the know some on Rodgers as well as the organization.
Wilde predicted all of this chaos between Rodgers and Gute right after the season ended. He's has a ton of interraction with AROD since he got here. And he's not all pro player. He's often stated how personable and nice and social AROD was in his first five years here. He's also stated he has never witnessed a player's tone and personality change more over the past ten years than Rodgers. Wilde has good relations with all of the guys who cover the Packers as well as many of the players.

I was not aware the golfing was debunked; I actually thought it was confirmed.

Still speculation. If he was more in the know, he wouldn't say it's 50/50 that Rodgers comes back. I personally think Rodgers is gone... either to the Broncos or Raiders. Let them get into a bidding war. Of course, that's pure speculation. To me, it just makes the most sense. Rodgers has become hard for the front office to deal with, his value will never be higher, it will free up money they need without mortgaging their future. If they really can get 4 high draft picks + either Carr or Chubb + another guy, now's the time to do it. I think Carr + a boatload of high draft picks makes a lot of sense. Plus, Carr's contract fits exactly into the timeline they have for Love.

[Bretsky]

He doesn't need to be one of the greatest QBs of all-time. He just needs to be good enough. His contract is going to allow the Packers to build a better team around him.

You cherry pick some scouting reports or insinuate a lack of training camp praise (when there wasn't much training camp to speak of) means he's going to be a bust. Watch his tape... particularly the 2018 season. Let me know what you think. I think he looked good. However, I'm not the one overreacting to every media report out there. He could be bad, average, good, or great. I'm willing to let it play out before overreacting.

IF you really wanted to call me out and bust me you could drag back some of the pre draft threads. Overall I was very positive about Jordan Love. His 2018 tape was very good. His 2019 tape was not terrible considering he had a new and foreign offense, new coaches, and very very limited talent around him. To me, that early contract....that's the reason you draft a guy and play him right away. And going back to my ongoing point, we drafted a QB too early. Now if he turns out to guide us to a Super Bowl, I'lll very happily admit I'm wrong. But you know me, I'm a now guy HW )

[HarveyWallbangers]

A lot of people respect Chris Simms' opinion on QBs. I think he's had some misses, but he did predict Patrick Mahomes as the best QB in 2017, Lamar Jackson as the best QB in 2018, and ranked Justin Herbert (and Love) ahead of Tua in 2020. Let's go back to what he said last year:

[King Friday]

Gute has been better than Thompson IMO, but as I said in another post - he's tone deaf. There's more to the job than just making picks and signing FA's. Those are the biggest aspects of the job, but player and public relations are just as important.

I think Gute is beginning to get a reputation around the league that he is an arrogant, rigid, asshole.

Perhaps... But most GMs have that reputation. They don't have a job where players are going to love them. Belichick is a pompous, rigid asshole Wist. He's also the best head coach in the NFL

[woodbuck27]

I agree with Rodgers chief complaints. They are some of the complaints I've been talking about for quite some time.

The Packers front office is aloof and tone deaf. Not just in how they've approached roster building since TT took over, but in how they treated first Favre and now Rodgers. There's a business side that can't be avoided, but there are smoother ways to go about it.

I think also that the younger generations who now moving into positions of power and responsibility are inexperienced and unprepared to lead as men. Their arrogance and hubris are palpable. It makes things more difficult than they need to be.

I totally agree with your assessment of Packer Management being flawed.

To not allow your QB's input in direction when that QB is as bright as Aaron Rodgers is plainly foolish.

I'm reminded of when Brett Favre worked so hard to get Randy Moss in the Green and Gold and how upset it was reported with TT when he went to sleep on that real possibility and Moss landed in NE and had what was it? 23 TD's.

[Spaulding]

A lot of people respect Chris Simms' opinion on QBs. I think he's had some misses, but he did predict Patrick Mahomes as the best QB in 2017, Lamar Jackson as the best QB in 2018, and ranked Justin Herbert (and Love) ahead of Tua in 2020. Let's go back to what he said last year:

Thanks for sharing. Hadn't seen that video before and I like points he makes. Gives me hope that if Rodgers is gone this year or next that Love has a real chance to be a solid starter.

[ThunderDan]

I totally agree with your assessment of Packer Management being flawed.

To not allow your QB's input in direction when that QB is as bright as Aaron Rodgers is plainly foolish.

I'm reminded of when Brett Favre worked so hard to get Randy Moss in the Green and Gold and how upset it was reported with TT when he went to sleep on that real possibility and Moss landed in NE and had what was it? 23 TD's.

And what many people forget to remember about that, the Packers O only threw for 400 less yards than the Patriots did that year, 4,700 to 4,300 yards.

The Packers were one super cold I don't want to play BF interception from facing the Patriots in the Super Bowl that year.