Amos vrs savage.

[bobblehead]

i have no clue if they are the top duo in the league, but they are far from our problem on defense and both very capable players

Can't argue that. I said over rated because people are saying "possibly best duo in the league". But capable yes. Savage may yet become very good. And not near the problem of no ILB to speak of. We also need faith that Keke makes the jump or that DL is a liability.

[Upnorth]

If savage can become as good and steady as Amos then i would argue we have tbe best coverage safeties in the league by far. Perhaps not against the run though

[call_me_ishmael]

I thought Collins broke through to GREATNESS. I don't see Savage doing that. He hasn't flashed the same way. If he can breakthrough to truly being a top 10 safety I'm thrilled. Collins was right their with Polamalu and Ed Reed when he got hurt. I don't ever see Savage that way. But a nice eraser roaming the back line. I could see that.

Yeah Nick Collins are really, really special in my opinion. It felt like it was just the beginning for him too.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Nick Collins became special, but there's nothing keeping Savage from doing likewise. Collins was actually pretty poor his first three years. He had 4 total interceptions and took poor angles, but you saw enough flashes (and insane athleticism) to remain patient. Savage's first two years are on par with Collins. Collins probably had his worst year in year 3, and people started to lose patience, before he became an elite safety for years 4-6. Savage will probably never be the thumper that Collins became. Collins was just sturdier.

Nick Collins - 5'11' 207, 4.36 40, 11 bench, 118" broad jump, 4.16 ss, 6.94 3 cone, 40" vertical
Darnell Savage = 5'11" 198, 4.36 40, 11 bench, 126" broad jump, 4.14 ss, 7.03 3 cone, 39.5" vertical

[texaspackerbacker]

How do they compare in neck size, or doesn't that correlate with neck injuries? Is there a doctor in the house who might know?

[Zool]

Nick Collins became special, but there's nothing keeping Savage from doing likewise. Collins was actually pretty poor his first three years. He had 4 total interceptions and took poor angles, but you saw enough flashes (and insane athleticism) to remain patient. Savage's first two years are on par with Collins. Collins probably had his worst year in year 3, and people started to lose patience, before he became an elite safety for years 4-6. Savage will probably never be the thumper that Collins became. Collins was just sturdier.

Nick Collins - 5'11' 207, 4.36 40, 11 bench, 118" broad jump, 4.16 ss, 6.94 3 cone, 40" vertical
Darnell Savage = 5'11" 198, 4.36 40, 11 bench, 126" broad jump, 4.14 ss, 7.03 3 cone, 39.5" vertical

Yup. People were pissed about "wasting" a second round pick on a guy from a small school who was just an athlete. No game sense at all. I think he played through injury in year 3 but he sucked on ice that year.

Remember how people here wanted Devante Adams gone after year 2? Another "wasted second rounder".

That's the beauty of fandom. You can say whatever stupid shit you want, and have the delusion that you actually could run a team better than the morons running the team. The internet has only amplified this insanity.

[Upnorth]

Yup. People were pissed about "wasting" a second round pick on a guy from a small school who was just an athlete. No game sense at all. I think he played through injury in year 3 but he sucked on ice that year.

Remember how people here wanted Devante Adams gone after year 2? Another "wasted second rounder".

That's the beauty of fandom. You can say whatever stupid shit you want, and have the delusion that you actually could run a team better than the morons running the team. The internet has only amplified this insanity.

Stop making sense. This is the internet for goodness sakes

[Zool]

Stop making sense. This is the internet for goodness sakes

Don't tell anyone it was me. I don't want the internet police to shut off my service. Tell them it was Tex.

[bobblehead]

Nick Collins became special, but there's nothing keeping Savage from doing likewise. Collins was actually pretty poor his first three years. He had 4 total interceptions and took poor angles, but you saw enough flashes (and insane athleticism) to remain patient. Savage's first two years are on par with Collins. Collins probably had his worst year in year 3, and people started to lose patience, before he became an elite safety for years 4-6. Savage will probably never be the thumper that Collins became. Collins was just sturdier.

Nick Collins - 5'11' 207, 4.36 40, 11 bench, 118" broad jump, 4.16 ss, 6.94 3 cone, 40" vertical
Darnell Savage = 5'11" 198, 4.36 40, 11 bench, 126" broad jump, 4.14 ss, 7.03 3 cone, 39.5" vertical

That sums it up. I felt Collins was built like a LB. He was similar to Devin Bush but a step quicker. Just would cut down backs if they ran east/west.

The only reason I say I doubt Savage achieves that level is simply that the math says he won't. Few do. But again, if Savage becomes a top 10 safety I'm thrilled. Can't argue the athleticism, but I have seen many great athletes fail.

Honestly the guy who tracks Collins on the current roster is MVS. Has flashed greatness, but we wonder if he can ever gain consistency. If there is one player who could "shock" the fan base this season I'm going with MVS....If Rodgers comes back.

[call_me_ishmael]

That sums it up. I felt Collins was built like a LB. He was similar to Devin Bush but a step quicker. Just would cut down backs if they ran east/west.

The only reason I say I doubt Savage achieves that level is simply that the math says he won't. Few do. But again, if Savage becomes a top 10 safety I'm thrilled. Can't argue the athleticism, but I have seen many great athletes fail.

Honestly the guy who tracks Collins on the current roster is MVS. Has flashed greatness, but we wonder if he can ever gain consistency. If there is one player who could "shock" the fan base this season I'm going with MVS....If Rodgers comes back.

Devin White is a really good comp for Nick Collins playing the run.

[RashanGary]

Devin White is a really good comp for Nick Collins playing the run.

Devin Bush. The Michigan small line backer. Devin white is a rare BIG linebacker who can move like a safety. Bush is a small linebacker that moves like a safety. Collins could have played either position. Bush is kind of a hybrid too. White is a pure linebacker

[HarveyWallbangers]

According to Doug Farrar of USA Today/Touchdown Wire, Savage already ranks #3 on the list of top 11 safeties in the NFL. Amos honorable mention.

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/lists/nfl-best-safeties-justin-simmons-darnell-savage-tyrann-mathieu/

Green Bay’s pass defense was a disappointment at times in the 2020 season, ranking 15th in Football Outsiders’ opponent-adjusted metrics, but Savage was decisively not part of the problem. Last season, he excelled in the box, in the slot, and at free safety, allowing 18 catches on 33 targets for 356 yards, 109 yards after the catch, one touchdown, four interceptions, seven pass breakups, and an opponent passer rating of 63.0. Savage’s combination of athleticism, route awareness, ability to read and react to play design, and closing speed make him one of the best young defensive players in the NFL.

[Upnorth]

That ofvthe highest ive seen him rated. By far. But I do think he will be an all pro shortly

[RashanGary]

That ofvthe highest ive seen him rated. By far. But I do think he will be an all pro shortly

There is some projection there. He wasn’t the third best safety in the league last year. He was the second best on his own team. But if you’re picking young up and comers, he’s probably near the top of the list as far as who has a chance to be near the top.

[bobblehead]

According to Doug Farrar of USA Today/Touchdown Wire, Savage already ranks #3 on the list of top 11 safeties in the NFL. Amos honorable mention.

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/l...yrann-mathieu/

Its amazing our defense wasn't much better with Jaire, Clark, Z and the #3 safety in all of football!!

I don't believe the writers as much as I do my eyes and coaches. Jaire is special. Clark is when motivated. Z is insane on the inside pass rush. Gary flashed last year with his ability to set the edge. Savage improved as the year went on, but I didn't see special. Hope I'm wrong.