Amos vrs savage.

[wist43]

Its amazing our defense wasn't much better with Jaire, Clark, Z and the #3 safety in all of football!!

I don't believe the writers as much as I do my eyes and coaches. Jaire is special. Clark is when motivated. Z is insane on the inside pass rush. Gary flashed last year with his ability to set the edge. Savage improved as the year went on, but I didn't see special. Hope I'm wrong.

We're mediocre at best in the middle - the Packers haven't cared about ILB forever, and it shows on the field. I'll never be able to figure out why the Packers care so little about the middle of their defense. It just is what it is.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Its amazing our defense wasn't much better with Jaire, Clark, Z and the #3 safety in all of football!!

I don't believe the writers as much as I do my eyes and coaches. Jaire is special. Clark is when motivated. Z is insane on the inside pass rush. Gary flashed last year with his ability to set the edge. Savage improved as the year went on, but I didn't see special. Hope I'm wrong.

I think it comes down to how much stock you put into the second half of the season. Savage went through normal growing pains his first 1 1/2 years, but he was a very good player the second half of the year. Nothing (athleticism, smarts, work ethic) tells me he won't continue to get better and become a Pro Bowl, maybe All Pro, caliber player in the next year or two.

[call_me_ishmael]

I think it comes down to how much stock you put into the second half of the season. Savage went through normal growing pains his first 1 1/2 years, but he was a very good player the second half of the year. Nothing (athleticism, smarts, work ethic) tells me he won't continue to get better and become a Pro Bowl, maybe All Pro, caliber player in the next year or two.

Possibly size. He still seems very small. But I agree. He has the tools short of size and everything is in front of him.

[wist43]

I think it comes down to how much stock you put into the second half of the season. Savage went through normal growing pains his first 1 1/2 years, but he was a very good player the second half of the year. Nothing (athleticism, smarts, work ethic) tells me he won't continue to get better and become a Pro Bowl, maybe All Pro, caliber player in the next year or two.

I agree.

[run pMc]

Me too, wist. I think Savage had moments where he struggled early last season, but it seemed to slow down for him and he improved considerably by the end. You like to see that kind of jump in your young players. He could be primed for a big year, but until it happens it's just hope.

FWIW I don't think he was the #3 safety last year. He might be this year though.

As for the D being weak down the middle, I'll look for your thoughts in the Devondre Campbell thread, wist.

[Upnorth]

I can't believe how much positive press savage is getting

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/green-bay-packers-5-best-players-under-25-years-old/

I struggle to have savafe above gary, but i think Gary will be our 3rd best d player this year after jaire and Clark.

I am starting to think this Amos vrs savage thread we timely on my part. Dam im smrt, er smart.

[wist43]

I can't believe how much positive press savage is getting

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/green-bay-packers-5-best-players-under-25-years-old/

I struggle to have savafe above gary, but i think Gary will be our 3rd best d player this year after jaire and Clark.

I am starting to think this Amos vrs savage thread we timely on my part. Dam im smrt, er smart.

I see Savage's upside and think he can be a very good player... same with Gary.

The wildcard in their continued improvement, however, is Berry. If he's bad, the defense will be bad, and individual performances and development will suffer.

I have no idea what's going to happen, but I'm not holding my breath - Berry has not produced with the opportunities he's had as a DC.