AROD vs BRADY

[sharpe1027]

80% Rodgers back for training camp with a contract that guarantees him 2 or 3 more years
10% chance he waits till the start of the season if the Packers don’t budge
10% chance he waits for the minimum number of games he needs to play to accrue a season

If he does one of the less probably options, he’ll be traded either this year or next year for much less than we would have gotten. He’s pissed off, stubborn and malcontent. No ones gonna give a kings ransom for him at his age and mental state.

But we’re still looking at a solution to keep him. It’s just going to have to be a little more on Rodgers terms.

He gets no credit for an accrued year if he misses more than five days of camp.

[King Friday]

This will be resolved soon after the start of training camp. Either Rodgers shows up, or he will retire. Due to the vast amount of money he would lose to retire, I'm guessing he shows up.

[Spaulding]

Yeah, makes sense. He’s a person who wants himself and teammates treated with loyalty and respect. It’s not hard to get behind. I’m torn because I don’t know if he’s gonna make a difference and is probably just beating his head on the wall. I don’t know if he’s being at all smart in the sense that there is no good outcome. So I see him as wasting energy trying to fix a world that doesn’t want to be fixed.

I think your use of "respect" rings true but your reference to loyalty is off. Players often do not show loyalty to teams just like teams jettison players without loyalty.

It's a business and most players look to maximize their payday and so how does that suggest loyalty. Outside of Aaron Jones recent deal, really the only players given Packers a hometown discount are ones in the twilight of their career it seems. Rodgers contracts were always the highest current one for a QB at the time of signing. I know now his contract seems low for the position but that's a trade off with the upfront signing money and growing revenue.

When a player resigns with his existing team, on some small level it might be loyalty to the front office that drafted him and the coaching staff to having developed him, but really it's all about t he money and more a comfort thing. Knowing the system, his teammates, etc. is the draw and any real loyalty would be to the teammates and not the organization.

[bobblehead]

The channel my inner Iverson, OTA? Are you fucking kidding me? OTA! Not a game. Not even a fucking regular season practice! Fucking OTA!

The Frog’s offense ain’t exactly a doctoral dissertation on Fuckology. It’s jet sweep right; jet sweep left; run right; run left; play-action bomb. The Great Arm of Butte has already mastered the uncomplicated offense.

12 ain’t need to be at some meaningless practices. He ain’t need to kiss management’s ass.

How many rings Iverson got?

[bobblehead]

Yeah, makes sense. He’s a person who wants himself and teammates treated with loyalty and respect. It’s not hard to get behind. I’m torn because I don’t know if he’s gonna make a difference and is probably just beating his head on the wall. I don’t know if he’s being at all smart in the sense that there is no good outcome. So I see him as wasting energy trying to fix a world that doesn’t want to be fixed.

Has Rodgers ever taken a deal below market? I hear a lot about loyalty and respect, but when its time to get paid I rarely see it in action. Jones took a below market deal. Who knows, maybe there wasn't a market for him better than we gave him, but it seemed like a below market deal. Right now, if Jones complained about loyalty it would ring louder than Rodgers complaining about it.

edit: Nicely said spaulding, could have skipped my post if I had seen yours first.

[RashanGary]

He gets no credit for an accrued year if he misses more than five days of camp.

Well that clears it up. He’ll be here for camp. Maybe he’ll miss 5 days to send the final message, I don’t know.

[RashanGary]

I think your use of "respect" rings true but your reference to loyalty is off. Players often do not show loyalty to teams just like teams jettison players without loyalty.

It's a business and most players look to maximize their payday and so how does that suggest loyalty. Outside of Aaron Jones recent deal, really the only players given Packers a hometown discount are ones in the twilight of their career it seems. Rodgers contracts were always the highest current one for a QB at the time of signing. I know now his contract seems low for the position but that's a trade off with the upfront signing money and growing revenue.

When a player resigns with his existing team, on some small level it might be loyalty to the front office that drafted him and the coaching staff to having developed him, but really it's all about t he money and more a comfort thing. Knowing the system, his teammates, etc. is the draw and any real loyalty would be to the teammates and not the organization.

Rodgers went on Kenny Mayne and said there is an organizational problem in how they treat people. In the same conversation he said the Packers drafted Jordan Love and probably didn’t expect him to go on to win the MVP. If the problem was “people” and an example of that is drafting Rodgers replacement, I think you can read between the lines that he thinks they move on from good players too soon. I think you can further read between the lines that he sees them trying to replace him and since they’re doing whatever they have to do with no loyalty then he’s going to do the same. He’s not going to show up and play by a different set of rules and loyalties when they are not.

As far as how he’s going to conduct himself once he gets here, he loves his teammates, has no kids, not married.... football is a big part of his life and his heart. Once he’s here, yeah, the loyalty to the teammates and coaches and loyalty to the season will come through.

It will all be fine but he’s showing a front office that will cut ties with anyone that he’s going to look out for himself too and not just be cast aside when they feel like it. If they don’t want to give him an extension, he doesn’t have to keep coming to all this offseason stuff either. No loyalty is no loyalty and both sides can do that.

[NewsBruin]

Both guys are headcases whose drafting motivated them to become MVP-tier QBs. I think Rodgers got the better backup tutelage under (pre-risk averse) Mike McCarthy and had better WR talent overall than Brady, who had the Curmudgeon and a bunch of twitchy try-hards (and Randy Moss).

The difference for the sake of this question is that Brady is the High Priest and True Believer of the TB12 Cult and has lived his whole pro career to be marketable and in top physical and mental shape. He helps install the offense; he recruits potential teammates (character Red Flags to come to TB for cheap); and he tries to sell them on his physical regimen (with his radioactive personal trainer who now offices at the Bucs). Brady skipped Tampa Bay's OTAs to lead his own while Rodgers saw the wonders of Hawai'i.

I'm not saying that Aaron Rodgers doesn't work out on his own in the offseason or cram harder than most starting QBs between training camp and the last game of the season. I think he's a better natural athlete than Brady and probably a better quarterback. But his degree of all-in isn't the same as Tom Brady and whatever it takes to achieve his Unnatural Cranium.

I think that whatever motivates A-Rod, he will either be satisfied with or resigned with football before he reaches Tom Brady's career performance.

[texaspackerbacker]

If I was gonna play devil's advocate and say Rodgers does not play to the same age or more as Brady, I'd be saying that the overriding fact is that Brady has a 6 year head start. He's dodged mines to age 43, while Rodgers has 6+ years to go crossing the same mine field.

Just the same, I'm confident Rodgers has every other factor going in his favor including the GOAT motivation - I'm pretty sure he is driven by his ego to out do Brady including career duration. And as I've said several times, it will be a damn shame, a capital offense for Gutekunst if he doesn't finish with the Packers.

[bobblehead]

Gosh, I thought there was a bunch of stupid assuming by know-nothings in the other thread about what's in the head of Rodgers, but this one tops even that. And ya'all know what makes Brady tick too huh? Who knows, maybe all the ignorant speculation is correct - even though it flies in the face of everything the man has ever said and all evidence available.

I guess it's gonna take 6-8 years before I get to say I told you so to the various whiners and panicky people in here. In the short term, though, I'll be saying that when Rodgers is the starting QB for the first regular season game this year. Preseason? Possibly. Training camp? Probably not. But when it happens, I expect a lot of fools to be eating a lot of crow - as I will if it doesn't happen.

I'm still waiting for a lot of I told you so's from FYI where you have been wrong for better than a decade now. You have gone full walter mitty in your advancing years.

[bobblehead]

Well that clears it up. He’ll be here for camp. Maybe he’ll miss 5 days to send the final message, I don’t know.

That rule doesn't apply. I think Rodgers gets a year towards his contract if he shows up by week 10 of the regular season just like Leveon Bell when he was tagged. That rule is for rookies and undrafted FA I would guess, but have no real knowledge of it. Rodgers doesn't need "accrued years" at this point.

[bobblehead]

Rodgers went on Kenny Mayne and said there is an organizational problem in how they treat people. In the same conversation he said the Packers drafted Jordan Love and probably didn’t expect him to go on to win the MVP. If the problem was “people” and an example of that is drafting Rodgers replacement, I think you can read between the lines that he thinks they move on from good players too soon. I think you can further read between the lines that he sees them trying to replace him and since they’re doing whatever they have to do with no loyalty then he’s going to do the same. He’s not going to show up and play by a different set of rules and loyalties when they are not.

As far as how he’s going to conduct himself once he gets here, he loves his teammates, has no kids, not married.... football is a big part of his life and his heart. Once he’s here, yeah, the loyalty to the teammates and coaches and loyalty to the season will come through.

It will all be fine but he’s showing a front office that will cut ties with anyone that he’s going to look out for himself too and not just be cast aside when they feel like it. If they don’t want to give him an extension, he doesn’t have to keep coming to all this offseason stuff either. No loyalty is no loyalty and both sides can do that.

But he signed the contract. If he wanted to play by different rules he could have signed a 2 year deal and play it year to year. He wanted the fat signing bonus. He is under a contract based on the NFLPA unions negotiations which means the team can trade him or cut him. If he doesn't like it he needed to be more involved in that side of football. Yes, when outlaying monster signing bonuses teams structure them in a way to be able to move on if necessary. Players go for all the guaranteed money they can get. He has options, but they are limited. The team has options as well. Its a BIG reason teams have to be careful when giving big bonuses to guys like Antonio Brown.

[bobblehead]

If I was gonna play devil's advocate and say Rodgers does not play to the same age or more as Brady, I'd be saying that the overriding fact is that Brady has a 6 year head start. He's dodged mines to age 43, while Rodgers has 6+ years to go crossing the same mine field.

Just the same, I'm confident Rodgers has every other factor going in his favor including the GOAT motivation - I'm pretty sure he is driven by his ego to out do Brady including career duration. And as I've said several times, it will be a damn shame, a capital offense for Gutekunst if he doesn't finish with the Packers.

He may be driven by his ego, but that is different than driven to obsess like Brady. Brady is different. He will lie cheat and steal to win. Rodgers has ability, but will never have the character flaw Brady has that is the difference. Rodgers character flaw is the chip that drove him to be great, but will also drive him to stunts like this.

[texaspackerbacker]

He may be driven by his ego, but that is different than driven to obsess like Brady. Brady is different. He will lie cheat and steal to win. Rodgers has ability, but will never have the character flaw Brady has that is the difference. Rodgers character flaw is the chip that drove him to be great, but will also drive him to stunts like this.

Very True, and some people actually criticize him for that - Rodgers I mean, of course they criticize Brady.

[RashanGary]

But he signed the contract. If he wanted to play by different rules he could have signed a 2 year deal and play it year to year. He wanted the fat signing bonus. He is under a contract based on the NFLPA unions negotiations which means the team can trade him or cut him. If he doesn't like it he needed to be more involved in that side of football. Yes, when outlaying monster signing bonuses teams structure them in a way to be able to move on if necessary. Players go for all the guaranteed money they can get. He has options, but they are limited. The team has options as well. Its a BIG reason teams have to be careful when giving big bonuses to guys like Antonio Brown.

He can miss however much time he wants that still allows him to collect his pay check. That is in his power and screws the team over big. That’s part of the rules too. If the team can use every rule and contract detail to their advantage, the player can to. Rodgers is proving two can play the same game and treat it as just a business.