The problem with the 2021 Packers offense

[RashanGary]

Elgton Jenkins is not David Bakhtiari at left tackle
Runyan is not Elgton Jenkins at LG
Rookie Meyers is not Corey Lindsley at center
Rookie Newman is not Turner at RG


Basically from LT all the way over to RG, we have position switches, rookies and unproven players across the board.

It gets a lot better when even Bakh at 70% allows Jenkins to replace a rookie at guard. We’re serviceable at the end but not much more than that.


Rodgers is breaking in a rookie OL class for Jordan Love. That’s what’s happening this year. And it will be felt. Bank on it.

[RashanGary]

Newman coming in and beating out Lucas Patrick is a huge long term success.
Runyan beating out Patrick AND looking so promising last year is a huge long term success.
Bakh getting his legs under him is a huge success for 2022.

2022 looks great. 2021 isn’t a disaster. It’s the next notch up from a disaster. Rodgers has zero chance of an MVP season.

[RashanGary]

What Rodgers and MLF have going for them is a strong cast of veteran skill players who have been in the offense for three years now. Jones, Adams, MVS, Lazard, Cobb (a vet who should pick it up quickly) should all make it possible to get the ball out quickly. And Rodgers at QB obviously makes it possible to clean up a little of the slack. We can win regular season games with this OL. Unless the season unfolds perfectly up front and Bakh makes it back close to 100, I don’t see a very good chance at beating the best in the playoffs.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I ain’t paid any attention to the Yokozunas, but if the LG1 and the RG1 don’t reach Klemm and Whitticker’s level of monstrosity, the o-line should be a’rite.

Who was that incompetent GM that let Wahle and Rivera go?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Turner played RT last year. Patrick played RG, and he’ll probably start at LG this year. Once Bakh is back, the difference will be Myers at OC and Newman at RG—which might be an improvement. Or Patrick back at RG.

[RashanGary]

Turner played RT last year. Patrick played RG, and he’ll probably start at LG this year. Once Bakh is back, the difference will be Myers at OC and Newman at RG—which might be an improvement. Or Patrick back at RG.

I would bet anyone that there will be no improvement from last year.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I would bet anyone that there will be no improvement from last year.

The Packers had one of the best OLs during the regular season last year. I don’t expect them to be quite that good, but if they get good health, they should be better in the playoffs. I’ll take Bakh and Myers over Wagner and Linsley.

[RashanGary]

The Packers had one of the best OLs during the regular season last year. I don’t expect them to be quite that good, but if they get good health, they should be better in the playoffs. I’ll take Bakh and Myers over Wagner and Linsley.

Projection to start
Jenkins - slightly below average LT
Runyan - average LG
Meyers - slightly below average C
Newman - slightly below average RG
Turner - average RT

Projection to finish
Bakh - average LT
Jenkins - star LG
Meyers - slightly below average C
Runyan - average RG
Turner - average RT


They look to start the year slightly below average as a whole. With a lot of rookie growing pains. Going against a lot of bad DLs and with the qb and skill players experience, it’s enough to win reg season games.

They look to finish the year dead average (which is about what we had last year to finish and it’s not enough against top DL)

[RashanGary]

What I do like about the OL is that we don’t seem to have any dumpster fires. If either of the rookies was a dumpster fire, Patrick would be starting. Having 5 guys who are serviceable tends to work better than three great ones and two dumpster fires.

[RashanGary]

The 2022 OL looks great though. Jordan Love is looking like a lucky young QB with his situation.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Newman may not go to the bench when Bakh gets back. He was better than Runyan and Patrick this preseason. Myers has really impressed me. By playoff time, he might be better than average. That coming from a guy who didn’t like that pick. He looks like a potential stud.

[RashanGary]

Newman may not go to the bench when Bakh gets back. He was better than Runyan and Patrick this preseason. Myers has really impressed me. By playoff time, he might be better than average. That coming from a guy who didn’t like that pick. He looks like a potential stud.

I HIGHLY doubt either rookie will be average NFL players in their first year. Jenkins was an average player as a rookie. Alexander was an average player. But that is a rare level of play for a rookie. But I like both players. Slightly below average is a really good starting point for a rookie. It’s damn near best case. That means both players will eventually be studs if they’re almost average out of the gate.

[bobblehead]

Seinfelds nemisis (nemisi? nemisesis?) Newman seems to be another really nice find for Gutes. I'll have to watch him very closely in week 1 (or if I don't notice him even better).

JH, don't sweat it too much. I honestly think Jenkins will be really effing good at LT. And when Bak returns we have the dilemma of how to rearrange the deck. My favorite option is Jenkins to RT and Turner back to guard. But honestly, someone will likely get hurt in the first 6 weeks and solve the issue for us.

[smuggler]

I thought Jenkins was slightly better as a rookie than he was in 2020.

[texaspackerbacker]

I've got to disagree with a lot of what you said. First and foremost, I've been saying forever that Aaron Rodgers just doesn't need much help from the O Line. He literally could thrive with let's say, Marshall House X 5 out there. We've got an exceptional group of RBs, and they do need some O Line blocking, but arguably not all that much. Sorry to those who dissgree, I just don't see O Line quality as that big a deal.

Regarding the comparisons, I don't see Jenkins as less than Bakhtiari. I don't see Myers as clearly not gonna be as good as Linsley. Newman in the preseason has looked more than decent - better than Patrick or Runyan and better than Turner in his few reps at Guard. Newman switched yo RG supposedly because Patrick was better at LG. I think when Bakhtiari comes back, Jenkins of course goes to LG, and Newman stays at RG. I expect this O Line to be damn good this year. Next year? I suppose there will be growth, but Aaron Rodgers makes them good. If he is there, 2022 will be great, O Line and everywhere else. If Rodgers is gone, it's all in the toilet anyway, and more so with the O Line blocking for Love.