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  • #61
    Originally posted by smuggler View Post
    Actually you're believing in scientists, who are flawed people with veiled motivations and science itself does not have a rigid position in the matter. It is not a conclusion at all but a process from which people form conclusions.
    Exactly. The data is constantly changing. The vaccines were said to be 99% effective and as time has gone on, it’s waned. Science is constantly finding new information and the conclusions are constantly changing.

    Cherry picking one study and writing a matter of fact article claiming the science is settled doesn’t match up with science at all.
    Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by smuggler View Post
      Actually you're believing in scientists, who are flawed people with veiled motivations and science itself does not have a rigid position in the matter. It is not a conclusion at all but a process from which people form conclusions.
      There's some truth in what you say. Science has internal debates. I'm not going to pretend to be a qualified debater myself, beyond trying to weigh competing scientific judgement where it is truly divoided.

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      • #63
        gonna be a party in jail tonight

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        • #64
          We're both in the same position, Harlan. Trying to make the best in an ocean of insight, ignorance, information, and misinformation in varying concentrations.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby View Post
            There's some truth in what you say. Science has internal debates. I'm not going to pretend to be a qualified debater myself, beyond trying to weigh competing scientific judgement where it is truly divoided.
            Data does not lie. If presented in its entirety its the most honest thing there is. I have made my entire fortune analyzing data. Its when you read an "expert" "analyzing" what the data says and you can pick apart his bias that I have a problem. Public Health England puts the data out there. Numbers are numbers and they don't lie. Same with Israel. I didn't try and parse any data, I simply told you what it reads. Facts are not deniable and those that try to twist them to deny what they're lying eyes are telling them are to be looke on with our own wary eyes. I appreciate that you don't believe what the data clearly says. That is your god given right. You can carry on however you choose and its bothers me not at all.
            The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby View Post
              https://www.newscientist.com/article...re-vaccinated/
              This article explains why contrarian claims are flawed.

              It is not useful for an armchair scientist to look at specific studies and draw broad conclusions.

              "Trust the science" means to trust the analysis/synthesis by scientists *in specific field* weighing all studies.
              Harlan, go over to the covid thread in FYI and I'll carry on this discussion if you wish.
              The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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              • #67
                sorry bobble, I've blown my covid load. I get upset by this topic and want to move along. i follow several ppl who share your point of view on twitter, John Ziegler being the king of climate change debunking and covid dehoaxing. He constantly posts studies that I put in context. He's an intelligent, good guy but shares your neurological disfunction. I get angry, can't keep it up.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby View Post
                  sorry bobble, I've blown my covid load. I get upset by this topic and want to move along. i follow several ppl who share your point of view on twitter, John Ziegler being the king of climate change debunking and covid dehoaxing. He constantly posts studies that I put in context. He's an intelligent, good guy but shares your neurological disfunction. I get angry, can't keep it up.
                  Thats cool. We both probably get a timeout when mad sees the thread. I no longer get angry. We suffer the chinese curse: May you live in interesting times. Anyway, FYI is there if you want it. Most of us try to keep level headed now days with the only occassional calling each other assholes.
                  The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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                  • #69
                    Was Tae really vaccinated?

                    He was out on mon 10/25 and back 10 days later on Thur 11/4…

                    10 days is amount of time a player must be out if unvax otherwise 2 beg tests 24 hours apart.

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                    The measure of who we are is what we do with what we have.
                    Vince Lombardi

                    "Not really interested in being a spoiler or an underdog. We're the Green Bay Packers." McCarthy.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Fosco33 View Post
                      Was Tae really vaccinated?

                      He was out on mon 10/25 and back 10 days later on Thur 11/4…

                      10 days is amount of time a player must be out if unvax otherwise 2 beg tests 24 hours apart.

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                      I think it probably means he had symptoms. I believe you need 2 negative tests once you are asymptomatic.
                      I can't run no more
                      With that lawless crowd
                      While the killers in high places
                      Say their prayers out loud
                      But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                      A thundercloud
                      They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Fosco33 View Post
                        Was Tae really vaccinated?

                        He was out on mon 10/25 and back 10 days later on Thur 11/4…

                        10 days is amount of time a player must be out if unvax otherwise 2 beg tests 24 hours apart.

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                        Is he off the Covid reserve list? I haven't seen anything
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                        Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby View Post
                          My heroes Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela and Steve Bannon have all done time for their views.
                          lol, what? He is...not someone I'd expect the a sentence with the other two!
                          --
                          Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Guiness View Post
                            Is he off the Covid reserve list? I haven't seen anything
                            The measure of who we are is what we do with what we have.
                            Vince Lombardi

                            "Not really interested in being a spoiler or an underdog. We're the Green Bay Packers." McCarthy.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Guiness View Post
                              lol, what? He is...not someone I'd expect the a sentence with the other two!
                              In MLKs day and Nelsons time there were folks just like you that viewed them exactly like you seem to view Bannon. Steve is a lightning rod. Not my favorite bombastic figure but I like his style.
                              The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Guiness View Post
                                Is he off the Covid reserve list? I haven't seen anything
                                Packers still have him listed on the Covid list on heir roster. Yesterday MLF said there's a protocol he has to work through. Hopefully he practices today.
                                I can't run no more
                                With that lawless crowd
                                While the killers in high places
                                Say their prayers out loud
                                But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                                A thundercloud
                                They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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