Studs and Duds, Chefs

[Fritz]

What's with the Wirtel thing, smuggler? I don't think his snaps were bad, and by rule, they can't (and didn't) go through him to rush the kicker.

Sheeeesh, Fritz, you seriously are gonna rag on Rodgers over this shit? If he's a dud for not being in the game, then Jaire, Z. Smith, Bakhtiari, Davante previous weeks, etc. are all that kind of dud too. You seriously would prefer to see the Packers turn to shit without Rodgers? A couple of the dumbshits agreeing with you I'd expect that, but it's a surprise coming from you.

Just as some players are criticized for not playing up to their own high standard, Kevin King gets praise for not playing down to the low standard he usually sets. So I guess he was surprisingly unbad.

As I said in the other thread, I don't see how you can slam the ST coach too much for the kinds of problems the Packers have had.

Studs: Gary, Dillon (but not more than Aaron Jones), maybe Barnes, Savage - I saw a lot of good things from him in this game.

Duds: not Love - mediocre, yes, dud no, the O Line, but no more than they ever are, Crosby, that's about it.

I'm not criticizing him because he wasn't in the game; I'm criticizing him because he lied to the public and put the organization and his teammates in the uncomfortable position of covering for him so he could pretend he was vaccinated when he in fact was not. And yes, I would rather watch the Packers ship his ass elsewhere and move on. Whether Jordan Love will be a reasonable starting quarterback or not I have no idea, but I'd rather watch a Rodgersless team next season than watch to see how Rodgers tries to hold up the organization.

And whoever the backup QB is on Sunday, I'd like to see that person as the holder for Crosby. I do not know why Bojorquez does not try to spin the ball so the laces are pointing away from Crosby.

And how can you say, Tex, that the special teams coach is not responsible for the multiple special teams fuck ups that are occurring every week? What do you mean, the kinds of problems? Do you mean the bad ball placement on the missed kicks, or the line caving in on the right side in multiple games, resulting in blocked kicks (plural, blocked kicks), or the long returns against the coverage teams, or a player allowing a punt to hit him in the leg, resulting in a loose ball?

[texaspackerbacker]

He didn't lie to "the public", he lied to the God damned worthless media pukes - and based on his defense of it, maybe it wasn't lying at all. Were the organization and teammates in an uncomfortable position? Nobody has stepped up and said that. Maybe they think the media is scum too. Fine, if you are doubling down on wanting to get rid of Rodgers and have the team turn to shit. Maybe we ought to have a poll on that one hahahaha.

I already talked about the ST coach in another thread. As for Bojorquez not spinning the laces, I asked my grandson who was a high school place kicker, and he said he thinks it's mostly psychological - little or no difference in the flight of the ball, especially if the laces are sideways as on Crosby's missed 40 yarder, not where the foot directly contacts the laces. People have whined about Rodgers being a primadona, how about Crosby - blaming his misses on that?

As for those kinds of ST problems you mentioned, I don't see much of it as blame worthy to the coach. What would you do to change it? Better personnel and/or better luck is about all I can see, neither of which is up to the ST coach. Long returns of kicks might be on the coach, but I think we've been better this year with lane integrity and preventing those long returns.

[Fritz]

He didn't lie to "the public", he lied to the God damned worthless media pukes - and based on his defense of it, maybe it wasn't lying at all. Were the organization and teammates in an uncomfortable position? Nobody has stepped up and said that. Maybe they think the media is scum too. Fine, if you are doubling down on wanting to get rid of Rodgers and have the team turn to shit. Maybe we ought to have a poll on that one hahahaha.

I already talked about the ST coach in another thread. As for Bojorquez not spinning the laces, I asked my grandson who was a high school place kicker, and he said he thinks it's mostly psychological - little or no difference in the flight of the ball, especially if the laces are sideways as on Crosby's missed 40 yarder, not where the foot directly contacts the laces. People have whined about Rodgers being a primadona, how about Crosby - blaming his misses on that?

As for those kinds of ST problems you mentioned, I don't see much of it as blame worthy to the coach. What would you do to change it? Better personnel and/or better luck is about all I can see, neither of which is up to the ST coach. Long returns of kicks might be on the coach, but I think we've been better this year with lane integrity and preventing those long returns.

Back in the 60's and 70's when Bill Ford Sr. was the owner of the Detroit Lions, he hired a GM named Russ Schmidt as his GM. One of the most important parts of the job for Schmidt was acting as Ford's babysitter, as Ford had problems with the bottle. As for the team, he left terrible coaches in place for years and years, letting them pile up loss after loss. He sometime said he thought the problems with the team weren't really the coaches' fault.

You sound a lot like Russ Schmidt.

And Tex, as for Rodgers, surely you know that the "media pukes" more or less are the conduit between the players and the public, so yes, Rodgers lied, lied, and lied some more to the public. And nobody in the organization is complaining because that's organizational discipline - and their own asses for violating the league rules (with the league's apparent wink-wink).

Yes, I am done with Aaron Rodgers. It's embarrassing to be a Packer fan when I talk to people. Rodgers is who they bring up, and nobody thinks much of the guy. I don't expect heroes, but I'd like at least a modicum of decency. That's probably too much to ask, I know. Nobody cares as long as their team wins. I know. That's how sports is. Always has been. I'm just done with this particular guy.

[NewsBruin]

I'm down with a Randy Wright reboot. Trade Rodgers for Taysom Hill & former Badger offensive tackle to be named later.

Ick. Taysom Hill is a great runner for a QB and a great passer for a non-QB, but seeing his deep "passes' fly, his greatest talent is being a walking bruise by the middle of the fourth quarter.

And are there any good Badger linemen at the pro level?

[texaspackerbacker]

" the "media pukes" more or less are the conduit between the players and the public" - you don't see that as the problem? When I want news about Rodgers, I watch Rodgers - on McAfee or speaking to those media shitheads (at least then it is mainly Wisconsin shitheads). When I want to hear about Packer coaching, I listen to LaFleur or Barry or Hackett or Drayton. Fuck the God damned lying fake news media pukes. This past off-season didn't show you how rotten they are?

I don't know what to say about your Lion story except that I remember that the Lions were the Packers' toughest division/conference competition for most of the Lombardi years.

As for your last paragraph, you obviously care about what other people think - and make no mistake, I'm NOT saying that like it's a good thing. You're view of Rodgers - that "modicum of decency" crap - is purely a product of gulping bogus shit spewed by those God damned media pukes. "Nobody cares as long as their team wins."? - You say that like it's a bad thing. I suppose you'd be done with Lombardi for saying, "Winning is the only thing" too. Maybe you should be a Lion fan. They apparently don't care too much if their team wins.

[Bretsky]

Ick. Taysom Hill is a great runner for a QB and a great passer for a non-QB, but seeing his deep "passes' fly, his greatest talent is being a walking bruise by the middle of the fourth quarter.

And are there any good Badger linemen at the pro level?

There are still plenty of Badger OL out there. Off top of head I think one of the best RT's in the NFL is from the UW and playingf or the Saints.

[Bretsky]

" the "media pukes" more or less are the conduit between the players and the public" - you don't see that as the problem? When I want news about Rodgers, I watch Rodgers - on McAfee or speaking to those media shitheads (at least then it is mainly Wisconsin shitheads). When I want to hear about Packer coaching, I listen to LaFleur or Barry or Hackett or Drayton. Fuck the God damned lying fake news media pukes. This past off-season didn't show you how rotten they are?

COME ON MAN; I love Rodgers the player as much as anybody (well maybe not quite as much as you . But I still want truths.

The media asks him a question and other players questions for the fans; We should not expect deceit.

MCAFEE is an absolute TOOL. AROD set up this weekly gig so he can control the questions and the conversation. He's AROD's tool and while listening to it is interesting, I don't give a ton of credibility to it as being true. It's obviously set up to be AROD's version of exactly what he wants to share.

AROD has burned bridges with many media members who used to support him. And media guys I really like. He's really not the same person he was ten years ago.

So it's no surprise to me he sets up this weekly gig with his Tool to convey anything he chooses to convey on a weekly basis. It's entertaining anyways.

[call_me_ishmael]

COME ON MAN; I love Rodgers the player as much as anybody (well maybe not quite as much as you . But I still want truths.

The media asks him a question and other players questions for the fans; We should not expect deceit.

MCAFEE is an absolute TOOL. AROD set up this weekly gig so he can control the questions and the conversation. He's AROD's tool and while listening to it is interesting, I don't give a ton of credibility to it as being true. It's obviously set up to be AROD's version of exactly what he wants to share.

AROD has burned bridges with many media members who used to support him. And media guys I really like. He's really not the same person he was ten years ago.

So it's no surprise to me he sets up this weekly gig with his Tool to convey anything he chooses to convey on a weekly basis. It's entertaining anyways.

Bingo. I do wonder where it went south with Wilde and why he stopped doing that show.

[Joemailman]

Rodgers seemingly burned bridges with his family. Not surprising he would burn bridges with members of the media who dare to ask questions he doesn't like.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Ick. Taysom Hill is a great runner for a QB and a great passer for a non-QB, but seeing his deep "passes' fly, his greatest talent is being a walking bruise by the middle of the fourth quarter.

And are there any good Badger linemen at the pro level?

I think Taysom is starter w Winston hurt, so he isn't going anywhere. I only mention him because he is a running joke with Packer fans.

Ryan Ramzyk is a great OT on Saints who also isn't going anywhere, well, maybe for arod

[NewsBruin]

There are still plenty of Badger OL out there. Off top of head I think one of the best RT's in the NFL is from the UW and playingf or the Saints.

Thanks, Bretsky and Harlan. I'm a little biased to SEC and Big 12 linemen (with no expectations from my alma mater), so I wasn't sure if any Badger O-Linemen had stuck around.

[NewsBruin]

I only mention [Taysom] because he is a running joke.

I see what you did there.

[Bretsky]

Bingo. I do wonder where it went south with Wilde and why he stopped doing that show.

YUP

Now that McGinn is gone Wilde is IMO the best out there. He's a fans media guy; it's amazing to listen to him and Tauscher discuss the Packers. He gives out as much as he can to the fan who wants to be in the know w/o getting himself fired.

A caller once called in and asked Wilde if he could ask AROD anything in the world, what would he ask.

WILDE's response. What has changed you so much in the past ten years ? Wilde noted AROD used to be a pleasure to deal with when he was a young start, he was a pleasure for the media to work with, and most players are. He left it there. But you can fill in his next sentence if you want.

[Bretsky]

Thanks, Bretsky and Harlan. I'm a little biased to SEC and Big 12 linemen (with no expectations from my alma mater), so I wasn't sure if any Badger O-Linemen had stuck around.

If you want a list Bruin I can work on this tomorrow; I'm kind of fanatical Red and white so I don't think it'd be that hard to pull in. I'd guess there are about five left. There used to be more. I "think" Kevin Zeitner is still out there. Casey Rademacher (sp) I think is the stud for the Saints. And there are some more recents but no stud's lately

[texaspackerbacker]

I never cared much for McAfee until Rodgers started showing up there. It's listening to things straight from Rodgers, not filtered by these lying sacks of shit - the media bastards, and just about all of them are just about all of the time. Apparently some of you guys have forgotten this past off-season.

I recall reading a year or two ago that Wisconsin was tied with Alabama or something like that for the most NFL players coming from there - not bad considering that we never are among the top rated recruiting classes. We have had a lot of O Linemen, of course, but also plenty of RBs over the years and surprisingly quite a few QBs. Not many superstars, but what can you expect with 3 and 4 star recruits.