Official Packers Offseason/Free Agency Thread

[Bretsky]

Are those players actually better than a draft pick or a different player at the same dollar amount would be? Man, IDK, Davante is overrated IMO. Been saying he was a #2 (foolishly) for years. He is a good #1 but he isn't Randy Moss or a game changer. He's Reggie Wayne (maybe).

Zadarius is another good player and solid pass rusher who could very well be missed and return to his stud status. We shall see.

MVS - meh.

Let's say we use our 22nd pick on a WR who we lock up for an economical contract for 5 years

Let's say we use round 2 to draft another legit option at WR and lock him up for another 4 years (better than MVS)

And we were able to keep Campbell, Douglas, and the new FA DL as well.

I'd say that's a win in my book.

[ThunderDan]

Are those players actually better than a draft pick or a different player at the same dollar amount would be? Man, IDK, Davante is overrated IMO. Been saying he was a #2 (foolishly) for years. He is a good #1 but he isn't Randy Moss or a game changer. He's Reggie Wayne (maybe).

Zadarius is another good player and solid pass rusher who could very well be missed and return to his stud status. We shall see.

MVS - meh.

Adams is the best WR in the league. If we had paired him with a legitimate 2 he would have been talked about with a Moss.

Randy had Chris Carter on the other side.

[call_me_ishmael]

Adams is the best WR in the league. If we had paired him with a legitimate 2 he would have been talked about with a Moss.

Randy had Chris Carter on the other side.

I disagree he is the best WR in the league and so does the league. Another player was just traded for a bigger haul and signed a contract worth 10% more. Agreed about Randy and obviously that's unfair - nobody is Randy except for Randy, but he isn't TO, Cheetah or Prime Julio even. He is really good - Reggie Wayne esque, but Reggie Wayne is an all-time great because of longevity and consistency more so than being physically dominant.

[Upnorth]

Let's say we use our 22nd pick on a WR who we lock up for an economical contract for 5 years

Let's say we use round 2 to draft another legit option at WR and lock him up for another 4 years (better than MVS)

And we were able to keep Campbell, Douglas, and the new FA DL as well.

I'd say that's a win in my book.

Let's say gute shits the bed draft wise. I feel Campbell Douglas and Reed with a manageable cap figure and room for a couple more fa is a win and worth the trade

[run pMc]

Let's say gute shits the bed draft wise. I feel Campbell Douglas and Reed with a manageable cap figure and room for a couple more fa is a win and worth the trade

It could happen. The thing about draft picks is that oh so tantalizing potential. If your R1 WR pick turns into John Ross or Rae Carruth then you're no better. I would hope Gute can do better than Amari Rodgers, MVS, or ESB with the picks he has.

Getting the cap space is helpful now and in the future, but losing Adams makes them a worse team until they fix their WR depth.

[Joemailman]

It could happen. The thing about draft picks is that oh so tantalizing potential. If your R1 WR pick turns into John Ross or Rae Carruth then you're no better. I would hope Gute can do better than Amari Rodgers, MVS, or ESB with the picks he has.

Getting the cap space is helpful now and in the future, but losing Adams makes them a worse team until they fix their WR depth.

Gute's track record in the 1st 2 rounds haa been pretty good though. 3 elite players (Alexander, Jenkins, Gary) and several others with the potential to get there (Myers, Stokes, Savage, Dillon). Only one bust (Josh Jackson). Problem has been the 3rd round. 2 busts (Burks, Sternberger) and 2 off to slow starts (DeGuara, Rodgers). Chances of a pretty good haul in 1st 2 rounds would appear to be pretty good.

[RashanGary]

I disagree he is the best WR in the league and so does the league. Another player was just traded for a bigger haul and signed a contract worth 10% more. Agreed about Randy and obviously that's unfair - nobody is Randy except for Randy, but he isn't TO, Cheetah or Prime Julio even. He is really good - Reggie Wayne esque, but Reggie Wayne is an all-time great because of longevity and consistency more so than being physically dominant.

I agree. For a while Adams was underrated but now that he is the so called best in the league, I disagree. Even when we talked about best all time Packer WRs, everyone put Sharpe, Hutson and Lofton ahead of Adams. A bunch put Jordy ahead.

Adams is a probowler and legit #1. But he is not spectacular. But honestly, neither was Jerry Rice.

[RashanGary]

Gute's track record in the 1st 2 rounds haa been pretty good though. 3 elite players (Alexander, Jenkins, Gary) and several others with the potential to get there (Myers, Stokes, Savage, Dillon). Only one bust (Josh Jackson). Problem has been the 3rd round. 2 busts (Burks, Sternberger) and 2 off to slow starts (DeGuara, Rodgers). Chances of a pretty good haul in 1st 2 rounds would appear to be pretty good.

Just about every WR in this years class is too slight in size. Even shorter WRs should weight 190 and these guys do not.

[RashanGary]

Just about every WR in this years class is too slight in size. Even shorter WRs should weight 190 and these guys do not.

I take it back. I looked through the top WRs in the NFL and a bunch are 180-190.

[Upnorth]

I agree. For a while Adams was underrated but now that he is the so called best in the league, I disagree. Even when we talked about best all time Packer WRs, everyone put Sharpe, Hutson and Lofton ahead of Adams. A bunch put Jordy ahead.

Adams is a probowler and legit #1. But he is not spectacular. But honestly, neither was Jerry Rice.

What makes players like Adams and rice great (Adams is no where near rice imo) are down after down after down of excellence.
Rodgers wants old reliable, always has since cutting his teeth with driver and Jennings.
Thats what we need, not a flashy guy. Well without mvs I guess we need a flashy guy as well, but down in down out is more important.

Also jones can sit out wide and be a dam fine flashy guy. If covered by a linebacker he is a great mismatch, do they pivot a safety? If they do what can Lazard and Lewis do now?
I wonder if we rock a 3 rb set sometimes, jones out wide, dillion and Taylor in. Either of those two can catch as well.
Feels like the 2 years when ahman green was the top wr in terms of catches. Not ideal but can win a few games.

[Upnorth]

What makes players like Adams and rice great (Adams is no where near rice imo) are down after down after down of excellence.
Rodgers wants old reliable, always has since cutting his teeth with driver and Jennings.
Thats what we need, not a flashy guy. Well without mvs I guess we need a flashy guy as well, but down in down out is more important.

Also jones can sit out wide and be a dam fine flashy guy. If covered by a linebacker he is a great mismatch, do they pivot a safety? If they do what can Lazard and Lewis do now?
I wonder if we rock a 3 rb set sometimes, jones out wide, dillion and Taylor in. Either of those two can catch as well.
Feels like the 2 years when ahman green was the top wr in terms of catches. Not ideal but can win a few games.

I still feel like we should get Landry and fuller, if cheap. If expensive heck no.
Still draft a couple because we need to plan for future.

Edit, I Did Not mean to quote myself, I ment to edit my post.
Or maybe I'm a narcissist.

[ThunderDan]

Adams is a probowler and legit #1. But he is not spectacular. But honestly, neither was Jerry Rice.

You can disregard anything RG says from now on after his stupidity about Jerry Rice.

[HarveyWallbangers]

You can disregard anything RG says from now on after his stupidity about Jerry Rice.

Correct, and don’t buy the nonsense about his 40 time. San Fran coaches were probably hand timing somewhere in the middle of nowhere in Mississippi. Times recorded back then at some random pro day are extremely untrustworthy. Watch him take slants to the house and tell me he was slow.

[Bretsky]

It would be nice is Amari Rodgers is not a bust. He had 4 dam catches last year and that is pretty terrible for a guy guys said he liked in the 2nd round. All our past decent wrs…Jennings Nelson j Jones devante….etc at least had in the 30 to 40 range in catches. Ecen with Cobb hurt this dude was invisible

[texaspackerbacker]

Gute's track record in the 1st 2 rounds haa been pretty good though. 3 elite players (Alexander, Jenkins, Gary) and several others with the potential to get there (Myers, Stokes, Savage, Dillon). Only one bust (Josh Jackson). Problem has been the 3rd round. 2 busts (Burks, Sternberger) and 2 off to slow starts (DeGuara, Rodgers). Chances of a pretty good haul in 1st 2 rounds would appear to be pretty good.

Good analysis, and a lot more relevant than hashing out how good Davante and various other past WRs were (we'll find out a lot about Adams this year when it isn't Rodgers throwing to him).

I've been strongly against drafting a WR early in past years. I have my doubts about it even this year, but almost certainly we will get one in the four first and second round picks. And I do tend to trust Gutekunst to pick a good one. That's not easy, as it seems like there are as many disappointments as successes among high picks. I say disappointment instead bust because some of them settle in as decent #2 and 3 WRs after drafted with higher expectations, and that kind of guy you can usually find them in mid or late rounds. You can bet whoever we get they will seem better with Rodgers throwing to them.