Official Packers Offseason/Free Agency Thread

[Bretsky]

So apparently Toney is on the trading block, I know a bunch of you wanted him, can a 3rd get it done and would you?

I would take him for a 3rd in a second but not more. Even a better idea. Trade Jordan love for him ). Now if his attitude sucks then pass

[Joemailman]

I would take him for a 3rd in a second but not more. Even a better idea. Trade Jordan love for him ). Now if his attitude sucks then pass

If his attitude didn't suck, I don't think they'd be looking to trade him. He's a talented guy.

[run pMc]

I heard at UF he didn't know his routes and a lot of stuff was guesswork or ad-libbed. That's probably an exaggeration some scout threw out there pre-draft last year, but if he's not showing commitment (or ability) to learn a college offense I think Rodgers would eat him alive for not knowing his routes on Hinkle Field.

He's talented as hell and would be a great fit in the offense, but it sure seems like he has a major issue between the ears. Unless you could get him to commit to a career reboot and "learning his cradt" I wouldn't trade anything for him. Without that, he'll probably be waived, bounce around a few teams, and vanish. Dude's already got money, if he's a head case or doesn't "love the game" he's not gonna work.

[run pMc]

DeSean Jackson is out there waiting to be signed. He'd be worth a try for not much over the veterans minimum. Sprinter speed usually doesn't diminish much with age. I bet he's still sub 4.4 at age 35. Him, Watkins, and a young guy in the draft like Christian Watson would be pretty good IMO.

Well you definitely get slower as you age, even sprinters. That said, I wouldn't be against bringing in Jackson AFTER the draft -- there's not much point in doing it now. He's kind of a head-case, he's old, and I'd bet his asking price is still likely higher than his value so he'll still be out there, and Gute will have a better idea of his roster then. Might as well see how the board falls before bringing another rental.

Personally I'd prefer Julio over Desean, but the money:value thing probably isn't there yet. Wait it out.

[Fritz]

This article sheds some light on why Giants are looking to move him. I think I'll pass.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/k...er-per-report/

The Giants are looking to trade wide receiver Kadarius Toney, according to the New York Daily News. New York is reportedly making calls to see what it can get in return for the young wideout ahead of the draft. Toney hasn't shown up to voluntary minicamp, which wouldn't seem like that much of an issue had his rookie campaign not been dramatic.

Toney seemingly referenced the report in an Instagram post. Against a black background, Toney wrote, "You gone hurt yo own damn feelings tryna hurt mine, idgaf about nothing."

The No. 20 overall pick out of Florida played in 10 games last season, catching 39 passes for 420 yards. He had an incredible outing against the Dallas Cowboys in Week 5, when he caught 10 passes for 189 yards, but even his highlight of the year came with drama, as he was ejected that afternoon for throwing a punch.

Toney missed time in 2021 due to multiple injuries, was placed on the reserve/COVID-19 list twice and was subject to the wrong kind of headlines in the preseason. Last summer, Toney reportedly did not finish either of the Giants' two rookie minicamp practices due to a cleat issue and an injury. He then missed voluntary workouts because he had not signed his rookie contract, which was unusual. As Dan Duggan of The Athletic reported, this was different since rookies sign waivers that protect them in case of injury during offseason programs.

The New York Daily News reported that Toney's commitment came into question behind the scenes in 2021 due to "lack of playbook study" and "poor meeting behavior." It also didn't help that he missed so much time from preseason to the end of the year due to multiple issues.

It remains to be seen if the Giants are set on moving on from Toney, but they are reportedly exploring what they could potentially get in return for him.

Man, if you're the Gints, this was a big fug-up. You were arrogant enough to think you'd straighten him right out, that you could "manage" him.

A big "I'll pass" on that guy. Yuck.

[Upnorth]

Man, if you're the Gints, this was a big fug-up. You were arrogant enough to think you'd straighten him right out, that you could "manage" him.

A big "I'll pass" on that guy. Yuck.

I am willing to be a broken record and say if we can get him for a Watkins deal go for it. 0 risk to us, no cost to cap unless he turns into something.
I really think Lazard and Watkins (two tough blocking wr) could sort him out

[Joemailman]

Packers reported to be interested in trading for Darren Waller. Would be for 2nd round pick. Report is original Adams trade would have been Adams for Waller and 1st round pick. However, NFL wouldn't allow trade because Waller hadn't signed his franchise tag tender.

[red]

Packers reported to be interested in trading for Darren Waller. Would be for 2nd round pick. Report is original Adams trade would have been Adams for Waller and 1st round pick. However, NFL wouldn't allow trade because Waller hadn't signed his franchise tag tender.

i like it

instead of taking flyer on an unknown TE in the second, spend that pick on a proven commodity

he's be expensive though

guys kinda old though, already 29

[Upnorth]

Why did he crater last year. Worst catch percentage, lower ypc.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Packers reported to be interested in trading for Darren Waller. Would be for 2nd round pick. Report is original Adams trade would have been Adams for Waller and 1st round pick. However, NFL wouldn't allow trade because Waller hadn't signed his franchise tag tender.

It was actually Adams - not Waller - who refused his franchise tender. Guess it was Adams’ way of saying “fuck you” to the Packers on his way out. However, ain’t nothing stopping the Packers from returning the fuck you by trading the 2 in the Adams trade back to LV for Waller, except maybe LV changing it’s mind.

Guess Mad’s boi, Adams, is looking forward to doping it up in Vegas with ole Waller. Ok, I keed. Looks like Waller has succeeded in defeating his demons. Waller would definitely look good in the Green and Musta Yella in real life…and on Madden.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

i like it

instead of taking flyer on an unknown TE in the second, spend that pick on a proven commodity

he's be expensive though

guys kinda old though, already 29

6.8 M cap hit this year. 7 next year. Not cheap but pretty cap friendly to me.

TEs balling into their late 30’s is not an unfamiliar sight. Gonzalez did it. Cook is doing it. Get it done!

[jklowan]

I'm a hard pass on Waller, I'll take my chances with the draft and post draft/june cut downs

[texaspackerbacker]

It was actually Adams - not Waller - who refused his franchise tender. Guess it was Adams’ way of saying “fuck you” to the Packers on his way out. However, ain’t nothing stopping the Packers from returning the fuck you by trading the 2 in the Adams trade back to LV for Waller, except maybe LV changing it’s mind.

Guess Mad’s boi, Adams, is looking forward to doping it up in Vegas with ole Waller. Ok, I keed. Looks like Waller has succeeded in defeating his demons. Waller would definitely look good in the Green and Musta Yella in real life…and on Madden.

True about it being Adams instead of Waller. I doubt it about the "fuck you" on the way out though. If Adams had signed that and the trade somehow got cancelled, I assume he would have been stuck with a deal he didn't want. If this is the way the Adams deal went down, and the prospective deal now is a way of getting around that rule, it begs the question, why didn't they just do the same deal - Waller for that second rounder going back - the following day after the Adams deal?

I'm not worried about the cap hit, as a moderate extension should be able to bring Waller's cap hit down to not much over half what it is currently. I'm also not to worried about him having a bad year - supposedly due to injuries and Covid X 2 last season. The idea of having an established TE instead of a pig in a poke they could draft is good to me. TEs it seems are even less sure of success as pros than WRs coming into the league. What bothers me a little bit is that we were already solid at TE, and what we need is WRs, but I guess one less second rounder or lower if they can negotiate it still leaves us plenty to shore up the WR group.

[RashanGary]

Tex, why on earth would we trade the best receiver in the league for two crapshoot picks that have almost no chance of being as goood as Adams if money wasnt a factor? Are the Packers just stupid? Or does the cap actually have an affect on teams?

[texaspackerbacker]

As I understand it, because Adams damn near demanded it or at least wouldn't play with the franchise tag and balked at a cap friendly extension. And is he the best receiver in the league? I guess we will see over the next few years if he thrives without Rodgers. I lean toward a no on that. As for the "two crapshoot picks", I was moderately pleased with the deal, all things considered, and I think the Packers will end up better off for it both this year and more so beyond.