Official Packers Offseason/Free Agency Thread

[KYPack]

Red, I've been under that rock a lot longer than that.

[texaspackerbacker]

Tex, you are getting obnoxious.

Do you call people dumb asses bc they don't agree with you?

The cap is the cap.

You bleat constantly on here that we are all stupid, yet you propose various moves to get under the cap.

Who is goofy? you or us.

You need to get with baby Tanky and start Tex and Tanks cap cooking shack and bait shop.

That way we can all ignore both your asses.

Since your evaluation of Dave Bahktieri, I don't take much of what you post seriously anyhow.

Rodgers don't need an OLine?

ARE YOU FUCKING SHITTING ME?

Both lines are the engine room of any sound football team.

Sorry you see it that way hahahaha. Some of these fools, though, are in complete denial of the obvious, and they are that way in a negative way.

Anybody seeing the cap as a problem that can't be easily overcome in fact is a dumbass. I hope that ain't you. Some of them deserve the label because of consistent dumbassery over time. I don't recall you being that way, but you seem to be lumping yourself in with those "goofy" bastards. All that the Packers have done in recent history and are continuing to do supports what I say about the cap.

As for Bakhtiari and the importance of the O Line in general, I never said Rodgers "don't need an O Line". I did say (and I stand by it) that a smart mobile QB like him can get by with mediocrity in the O Line. Somebody like Brady and a lot of others can't. The running game is where the O Line makes more of a difference, and Bakhtiari hasn't impressed me much there. As I hope you know, the Packers do most of their successful running plays inside tackle. I don't see Bakhtiari as any more than mediocre on those outside zone or off tackle plays. That's pretty much supported by how the team did without him both passing and running. I'm glad he's back. I hope he's healthy and earns the big money they're paying him. And I hope he performs as good as some of ya'all think he is. But either way, whether he does or doesn't play that good, I expect the Packers will be about as good as they were without him last year.

Both lines huh? Our D Line hasn't exactly set the world on fire either, especially everybody other than Kenny Clark. But it's the rest of the D, where the Packers are strong - DBs, OLBs, and when we got a quality ILB - that makes the difference.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...879ab9f2784bb0

Stupid Jerry Jones thinks the salary cap forced him to choose how to allocate money. Doesn't that moron know that he could have simply cooked the books and kept everyone?

Cooper’s 5 year $100M deal with Dallas included a puny $10M signing bonus. Jones coulda converted Cooper’s $20M base salary this year into signing bonus and add two bogus years to the contract. Cooper’s cap hit for 2022? $7M (2M prorated signing bonus from original contract + 4M prorated signing bonus from restructure + 1M minimum wage base salary).

A $7M cap hit ain’t gonna fuck the Cowfuckers into a cap hell. It sure as fuck ain’t gonna prevent the Cowfuckers from signing/re-signing all the bums they’ve signed/re-signed.

Jones, being the pig he is, simply deemed Cooper unworthy of $20M. Pig used the cap as an excuse to get rid of Cooper.

If the Packers had a pig owner, Cletidus Clark woulda been terminated already. The Packers will be paying Clark $15M this year in real cash. $15M for a Yokozuna who averaged 3 sacks a season. And if sacks don’t tell the whole picture, then check this out: Clark can’t hold Gilbert Browns’ jockstrap as a run defender. Yokozuna’s overrated…and overpaid.

[bobblehead]

LaFleur also said they had the ability to retain anybody they needed or wanted to retain.

You really pick and choose. He was basically saying we can keep anybody we want, but at a cost of guys we CHOOSE to let go....or at a cost of losing more guys in the future because we ate even MORE future cap.

[SudsMcBucky]

Cooper’s 5 year $100M deal with Dallas included a puny $10M signing bonus. Jones coulda converted Cooper’s $20M base salary this year into signing bonus and add two bogus years to the contract. Cooper’s cap hit for 2022? $7M (2M prorated signing bonus from original contract + 4M prorated signing bonus from restructure + 1M minimum wage base salary).

A $7M cap hit ain’t gonna fuck the Cowfuckers into a cap hell. It sure as fuck ain’t gonna prevent the Cowfuckers from signing/re-signing all the bums they’ve signed/re-signed.

Jones, being the pig he is, simply deemed Cooper unworthy of $20M. Pig used the cap as an excuse to get rid of Cooper.

If the Packers had a pig owner, Cletidus Clark woulda been terminated already. The Packers will be paying Clark $15M this year in real cash. $15M for a Yokozuna who averaged 3 sacks a season. And if sacks don’t tell the whole picture, then check this out: Clark can’t hold Gilbert Browns’ jockstrap as a run defender. Yokozuna’s overrated…and overpaid.

Just because someone doesn't deem a particular WR worthy of a $20M/year contract doesn't necessarily make him a pig. Maybe he's a smarter businessman than you. Now I'm mad at you for actually making me defend something Jerruh did.

[bobblehead]

Cooper’s 5 year $100M deal with Dallas included a puny $10M signing bonus. Jones coulda converted Cooper’s $20M base salary this year into signing bonus and add two bogus years to the contract. Cooper’s cap hit for 2022? $7M (2M prorated signing bonus from original contract + 4M prorated signing bonus from restructure + 1M minimum wage base salary).

A $7M cap hit ain’t gonna fuck the Cowfuckers into a cap hell. It sure as fuck ain’t gonna prevent the Cowfuckers from signing/re-signing all the bums they’ve signed/re-signed.

Jones, being the pig he is, simply deemed Cooper unworthy of $20M. Pig used the cap as an excuse to get rid of Cooper.

If the Packers had a pig owner, Cletidus Clark woulda been terminated already. The Packers will be paying Clark $15M this year in real cash. $15M for a Yokozuna who averaged 3 sacks a season. And if sacks don’t tell the whole picture, then check this out: Clark can’t hold Gilbert Browns’ jockstrap as a run defender. Yokozuna’s overrated…and overpaid.

I think the cowboys did that stuff already. That is why he is taking a dead cap hit for 22 million this year. He simply had to pay eventually (well, he is paying right now), and he decided that making it a dead cap hit of 40 million at some unspecified date would make his team uncompetitive.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I think the cowboys did that stuff already. That is why he is taking a dead cap hit for 22 million this year. He simply had to pay eventually (well, he is paying right now), and he decided that making it a dead cap hit of 40 million at some unspecified date would make his team uncompetitive.

You thought wrong.

Cooper signed his latest Dallas deal in 2020. Played last season on a $22M cap charge. Who the fuck cooks the cap for a player whose salary is $20M in exchange for a $22M cap hit?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Just because someone doesn't deem a particular WR worthy of a $20M/year contract doesn't necessarily make him a pig. Maybe he's a smarter businessman than you. Now I'm mad at you for actually making me defend something Jerruh did.

Hence, the salary cap.

You don’t see Jones or any other pig crying about the existence of the cap. Without a cap, the pigs would be bidding with each other for players. It would be like the old MLB where only the few teams with fat owners are competitive year in and year out. Sure, those teams win on the field. But at the cost of a fucked profit margin. Pigs seek to get fatter, not fucked.

The NFL salary cap gives the pigs an excuse to cut labor expenses. Jones has 22M in dead cap, so he says to Kroenke, “I see you only have a dead cap of $5M; your turn to spend frogskins on the playas, hombre. And you better spend. We pigs as a whole must spend 95% of the cap or the playas get free frogskins.”

[texaspackerbacker]

You really pick and choose. He was basically saying we can keep anybody we want, but at a cost of guys we CHOOSE to let go....or at a cost of losing more guys in the future because we ate even MORE future cap.

Oh, so you can read his mind hahahaha. He basically was telling fans and idiots of the media, r-e-l-a-x, the whole cap thing was overblown. Am I reading his mind now? Maybe, but his and Gutekunst's actions strongly say that it's the way I say it is, not the way the panicky fools in here and in the God damned media think it is.

APB, I guess you and I don't agree on everything. I have and mostly have always had a high opinion of Kenny Clark, although I sort of do tend to downgrade the importance of those "yokozumas" - especially on offense, but to some extent even on defense.

Regarding Jerry Jones, I usually have good things to say about him, but if the Amari Cooper thing was as you said - just $10 million bonus, that's a great example of how not to handle the cap. If you have enough confidence in a guy to offer him the $100m, then you ought to have confidence to pay him a lot bigger bonus. As I said though the last time Jones' name came up, the great majority of his wealth is the value of the team. Maybe he is a lot more cash-strapped than the Packers for example. If that's the case, though, he ought to be able to go to the bank and borrow for it.

[bobblehead]

You thought wrong.

Cooper signed his latest Dallas deal in 2020. Played last season on a $22M cap charge. Who the fuck cooks the cap for a player whose salary is $20M in exchange for a $22M cap hit?

I didn't mean specifically with Cooper. I meant in general. And the answer to your query is "a responsible person who is planning ahead".

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I didn't mean specifically with Cooper. I meant in general. And the answer to your query is "a responsible person who is planning ahead".

Then, after trading Cooper, Jones immediately handed Demarcus Lawrence a 3 year, $40M contract restructure that guarantees $30M. This contract is preceded by the 5 year, $105M ($65M guaranteed) deal Jones gave Lawrence in 2019. Not to mention, Jones cooked the cap in 2020 and turned $15M of Lawrence’s salary that season into signing bonus. Lawrence’s cap hit in 2023 will be $26M, with a dead cap of $35M if Jones decides to terminate ole D-Law.

I know the cap can always be cooked in 2023, but you’re telling me Lawrence’s numbers depict Jones as a “responsible person who is planing ahead?”

No shame in admitting that you’ve been debunked, hombre…see Onion thread in FYI for more.

[Joemailman]

Whitney Mercilus retires. Was hoping he might come back for one more shot.

[texaspackerbacker]

I read an article discussing a potential trade with the Steelers for Chase Claypool - not much said about what the Packers would give up. Two years left at low pay on Claypool's rookie contract. He was a 2nd round pick, and he's pretty good. I don't think it would be smart to give up a first rounder for him, though, a second rounder maybe.

[Upnorth]

I read an article discussing a potential trade with the Steelers for Chase Claypool - not much said about what the Packers would give up. Two years left at low pay on Claypool's rookie contract. He was a 2nd round pick, and he's pretty good. I don't think it would be smart to give up a first rounder for him, though, a second rounder maybe.

Don't see how the Steelers go for a lower 2nd than what they spent on a good #2 wr. They might go for a 2 and a 3 but even then thats stupid for them.imo. he is on rookie contract and this doesnt help there biggest need, qb.

[Fritz]

On a different topic, I saw the dumbest article in the world on ACME today. The headline was "ESPN Reporter: Trade Price for Seahawks WR DK Metcalf Is at Least Two First-round Picks." Hmmm. Sounds like the Seahawks front office is letting it be known that it's going to cost an awful lot. But as it turns out, the article was just a bunch of reporters speculating. ESPN called up reporters from about six teams, called up a reporter covering the Seahawks, and asked the reporters to come up with trade packages. The Jets' reporter came up with the best package, an equivalent to two first-round picks, and the Seahawks reporter said he didn't think even that would be enough so he wouldn't take it. So no, the Seahawks are not asking for two first rounders - a bunch of reporters sat around in a group jerk and came to that conclusion themselves, then reported it with a misleading headline.

This need to have new content 24/7 has really caused any journalistic standards to go right down the crapper.