What happens if Rodgers wants to stay but management wants to move on??

[call_me_ishmael]

Rodgers has to know there's no way he can demand a high $ deal AND reload the team. He may be hardheaded but he's not ignorant of the realities of a salary cap.

Not sure I agree. He could easily say "I'll take 3M off the cap per year in retirement over 10 years" or something w/ void years. Not hazardous to any specific year since 3M is not that much, and also low risk for him since he gets money up front. I am surprised more teams don't do this.

[HarveyWallbangers]

He's listed as a Pro-Bowl alternate, and was a big lift to the secondary. They lose to ARI for sure without him, and probably the LAR game too. He has limitations but he's better than Kevin King who got a mind boggling $5M contract.

Somebody said 29 was overrated because he was named All-Pro, but he wasn’t. There are almost as many alternates named to the PB as guys that make the team nowadays. AP is a lot different than PB. Douglas probably deserved his PB alternate nod.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Not sure I agree. He could easily say "I'll take 3M off the cap per year in retirement over 10 years" or something w/ void years. Not hazardous to any specific year since 3M is not that much, and also low risk for him since he gets money up front. I am surprised more teams don't do this.

You can only go out to the 5th year with void years.

[George Cumby]

Rodgers has to know there's no way he can demand a high $ deal AND reload the team. He may be hardheaded but he's not ignorant of the realities of a salary cap.

But he is apparently blinded by his ego, so it's a push whether or not he plays ball with Gute.

[texaspackerbacker]

Rodgers has to know there's no way he can demand a high $ deal AND reload the team. He may be hardheaded but he's not ignorant of the realities of a salary cap.

Are you really that stupid? YOU don't know the "realities of a salary cap". Of course a long term extension of Rodgers would greatly lessen the cap hit, not raise it. Ditto that for Adams, Campbell, Douglas, Tonyan, MVS, etc. - basically anybody worth keeping long term.

[Bossman641]

Are you really that stupid? YOU don't know the "realities of a salary cap". Of course a long term extension of Rodgers would greatly lessen the cap hit, not raise it. Ditto that for Adams, Campbell, Douglas, Tonyan, MVS, etc. - basically anybody worth keeping long term.

With the exception of Rodgers, none of the players you mentioned have an existing contract for next year. Signing any of them only exacerbates next year's cap issues. You may want to revisit who the stupid one is.

[George Cumby]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

[Fritz]

This is very spot on. Love was never drafted to do what Rodgers does. The system run by Green Bay will change significantly when Love takes over. A similar change is likely to happen in Pittsburgh, where I assume Tomlin will seek for a more mobile option at QB. Having a QB that can run and pass is the ultimate threat right now. Josh Allen will never be the QB that Aaron Rodgers is...but he could possibly wind up with more SB wins.

I notice also that MLF seems to have abandoned the outside zone run - the vast majority of GB's runs are up the middle. Or at least in that game.

[call_me_ishmael]

With the exception of Rodgers, none of the players you mentioned have an existing contract for next year. Signing any of them only exacerbates next year's cap issues. You may want to revisit who the stupid one is.

True with those listed, but the big elephant in the room is the 48M on Aaron's charge. They could easily get that to 20 without issue so saving 28M. I think we all agree Z is gone.

Adam will ultimately resign for less money I believe. If he won't, then I do tend to agree it's time to move on from Aaron. Void years will be helpful here.

No reason they can't dramatically lower cap charge of Rodgers, Jaire, Prestone, Amos, Turner, etc. Let's assume they don't intend to rebuild. Also let's assume they don't have cap issues. I don't think any of those players would be going anywhere and would be re-upped.

Cobb will be like 2M. It's a non-issue. I believe Dynamic Dean Lowry will probably be cut.

To me, it's more a question of what they want to do vs what they can do. If they want to rebuild, all bets are off and I'd all the assets except for Jaire and Elgton.

They aren't going to be able to bring everyone back, but they can bring most people back.

Aaron Rodgers - Cap hit of 46.8 million. Packers save 20 million by trading him.

Zadarius Smith - Cap hit of 28.1 million. Packers save 15.7 million by cutting or trading him.

Preston Smith - Cap hit of 19.8 million. Packers save 12.5 million by cutting or trading him.

Billy Turner - Cap hit of 9.2 million. Packers save 3.4 million by cutting or trading him.

Randall Cobb - Cap hit of 9.6 million. Packers save 6.8 million by cutting or trading him.

Dean Lowry - Cap hit 7.9 million. Packers save 3.9 million by cutting or trading him.

[call_me_ishmael]

I notice also that MLF seems to have abandoned the outside zone run - the vast majority of GB's runs are up the middle. Or at least in that game.

I remember two years ago this was discussed quite a bit by the beat writers and it was stated that it was because Aaron Jones is better inside.

[texaspackerbacker]

With the exception of Rodgers, none of the players you mentioned have an existing contract for next year. Signing any of them only exacerbates next year's cap issues. You may want to revisit who the stupid one is.

I say again, are you really that stupid/ignorant about how the cap works?

[Bossman641]

I say again, are you really that stupid/ignorant about how the cap works?

Do you? You suggest extending guys who don't even have contracts somehow lowers their cap number.

[bobblehead]

Rodgers has to know there's no way he can demand a high $ deal AND reload the team. He may be hardheaded but he's not ignorant of the realities of a salary cap.

Rodgers doesn't care if they kick it down the road until he retires though. Its a tough spot if the team actually wants to move on since I am convinced Rodgers doesn't and never did want to leave. However with his stunt last year he is in a tight spot if they do want to because if they try to trade him and he resists, he is the asshole now. Doesn't change the fact that if he is willing to be the asshole, they are in a bad spot. It ruins compensation if he doesn't want to go, and it kills the cap if they can't restructure him to a friendly deal.

[bobblehead]

Do you? You suggest extending guys who don't even have contracts somehow lowers their cap number.

Right now, just to tag Adams they have to clear like 18 million off the books....in addition to the 40 million or whatever they are over the cap. Tex thinks that none of this exists. And while its true you can kick it down the road and you can finnagle some details, you can't just ignore it.

There will be a bloodbath in GB, which is why I bring up this question. Due to the cap situation, trading Rodgers for some serious draft capital and making the moves necessary to tag and trade Adams means a 1 year rebuild is necessary. Bak is another issue to deal with entirely that factors into this. Is he shot? Is he going to return next year and be a stud again? If he is done, then you can cut him and eat it in a rebuild year, but they have to make that decision very soon.

GMs and coaches always think they are one guy away. That can be true and not true at the same time as luck and injuries play into it. My hunch is they will try to win again next year to the detriment of the long term. We get 4 more years of Rodgers, but due to the contracts Gutes signed in his first year that everyone applauded (Z, Preston, Amos, Turner) the next 4 won't be as competitive as the last 3. That doesn't mean we can't get an Owl, but it would take luck and Rodgers outperforming his last few playoff games. Since there is a chance and Gutes history is to go for it, I still think ultimately we bring him back. We lose both OLB. We lose all the smaller peices like Tonyon. We sign Adams to a 3 year MONSTER deal which means we likely lose a few other guys in 2023 as that will take a year to hit the cap full on. The one year and 2 year ramifications will weaken the roster overall. Ok, I'm rambling time to stop.

[ThunderDan]

Do you? You suggest extending guys who don't even have contracts somehow lowers their cap number.

It's Tex the fascist, child molester so take it with a grain of sand.

Tex doesn't understand if someone signs a new contract who isn't under contract it adds to the salary cap. Even if it is structured at $45 million and some how hits $5, $10, $30 a year. It still eats up $5 million the first year on a $45 million contract.