What happens if Rodgers wants to stay but management wants to move on??

[Thirteen Below]

True in terms of average per year to make Adams highest paid. Also, it would badly affect the franchise amount which I think is something like the average of the 3 top paid at the position or something like that. But we could pay
Adams about that much of an average over 5 years without much harm to the cap.

The only way it makes sense to tag Adams is to tag and trade. If Rodgers stays, we need to sign Adams to a voluntary longterm deal that's heavily backloaded. I don't see any other scenario that works - if Rodgers goes, tag and trade Adams; if Rodgers stays, sign Adams longterm and backload it.

[RashanGary]

Deandre Hopkins had a bad deal. They added two years at 27 million, but it was more like a 5 year, 100 million dollar deal than a 2 year, 54 million because the other years were averaged in.

[bobblehead]

Aaron Rodgers - Restructure could save 15m

Zadarius Smith - Cut saves 15m

Preston Smith - save 12m by cutting him.

Now we are about even on the cap but haven't signed Adams yet.

Randall Cobb - Cut him to save 7m

Lets say minimal moves gets us to even right here (it won't). We now don't have 53 players. No Tonyan, MVS, Lazard, Douglas, Sullivan, Campbell, Patrick, Kelly, NO PUNTER!!

I realize that a lot of those guys are replaceable, but even replacements cost some money. And no, undrafted FAs won't play up to those guys standards.

At this point even if we stretch the truth about the moves getting us to even and locking up Adams, we have no other WR to speak of, no MLB worth a damn, no second OLB, no depth at CB.

Now, you have to sell that new roster to Rodgers and Adams to get them onboard to make it happen.

[Thirteen Below]

Aaron Rodgers - Restructure could save 15m

Zadarius Smith - Cut saves 15m

Preston Smith - save 12m by cutting him.

Now we are about even on the cap but haven't signed Adams yet.

Randall Cobb - Cut him to save 7m

Lets say minimal moves gets us to even right here (it won't). We now don't have 53 players. No Tonyan, MVS, Lazard, Douglas, Sullivan, Campbell, Patrick, Kelly, NO PUNTER!!

I realize that a lot of those guys are replaceable, but even replacements cost some money. And no, undrafted FAs won't play up to those guys standards.

At this point even if we stretch the truth about the moves getting us to even and locking up Adams, we have no other WR to speak of, no MLB worth a damn, no second OLB, no depth at CB.

Now, you have to sell that new roster to Rodgers and Adams to get them onboard to make it happen.

And if we try to bring in young, cheap WRs (especially rookies), that just exacerbates one of our most glaring weaknesses - Rodgers' refusal to throw the football to anyone he's afraid might not catch it. If he won't throw to guys like Scantling and Lazard, who he's been playing with and practicing with for years, why would he start throwing to people he never even heard of before? It's back to trying to force the ball to a double-teamed Adams on 1st down, force it again to a double-teamed Adams on 2nd down, take a sack on 3rd down because Adams is triple-covered, then punt and sit on the sideline for 10 minutes glaring at everybody. And every single one of us screaming obscenities at our TVs because they didn't trade the damned fool when they had the chance.

[Bretsky]

And if we try to bring in young, cheap WRs (especially rookies), that just exacerbates one of our most glaring weaknesses - Rodgers' refusal to throw the football to anyone he's afraid might not catch it. If he won't throw to guys like Scantling and Lazard, who he's been playing with and practicing with for years, why would he start throwing to people he never even heard of before? It's back to trying to force the ball to a double-teamed Adams on 1st down, force it again to a double-teamed Adams on 2nd down, take a sack on 3rd down because Adams is triple-covered, then punt and sit on the sideline for 10 minutes glaring at everybody. And every single one of us screaming obscenities at our TVs because they didn't trade the damned fool when they had the chance.

I think "refusal" is a bit too strong.

Had we drafted Justin Jefferson for instance, he'd still be lighting up the NFL with Green Bay.
Perhaps Aiyuk as well. He's made some really poor decisions and locks into Adams too much
But we can win a Super Bowl With Rodgers

I have seen some sights indicating they think Alabama's all world WR who tore his ACL might fall into the late 20's. You give Rodgers a talent and he'll get confident really soon

[Thirteen Below]

I think "refusal" is a bit too strong.

Had we drafted Justin Jefferson for instance, he'd still be lighting up the NFL with Green Bay.
Perhaps Aiyuk as well. He's made some really poor decisions and locks into Adams too much
But we can win a Super Bowl With Rodgers

I have seen some sights indicating they think Alabama's all world WR who tore his ACL might fall into the late 20's. You give Rodgers a talent and he'll get confident really soon

You're probably right that I'm being overly bombastic, but I think I'm still frustrated and pissed about Saturday night. It's the culmination of several years of increasing frustration and disillusionment with Rodgers, all come to a head.

You're right, I know that my opinion is just that - an opinion, and certainly not objective fact. And of course yours is every bit as valid as my own, but I'm finally no longer capable of believing this guy is ever going to change enough to win a Super Bowl. Absolutely the best pure skill set of anyone who has ever taken a snap from center inthe NFL (and that opinion is one that I will strongly defend as objective fact), but he's a total head case. This conspiracy theory bullshit that he's been spouting the last couple of weeks just seals the deal for me - his head doesn't work the way it was designed.

I'd prefer that head be some other team's postseaon heartbreak after this season, not ours. I've loved watching him play, but I'd like to experience the thrill of watching my Packers win at least one more Lombardi Trophy in the relatively few years I probably have left. It's impossible for me to believe that's going to happen with Rodgers still wearing a Green Bay uniform. I want to see him traded to Denver for 1st and 2nd round picks, and Adams tagged and traded, so we can start rebuilding now - while we still have some cards to play, before we have no choice, and no options.

[Bretsky]

You're probably right that I'm being overly bombastic, but I think I'm still frustrated and pissed about Saturday night. It's the culmination of several years of increasing frustration and disillusionment with Rodgers, all come to a head.

You're right, I know that my opinion is just that - an opinion, and certainly not objective fact. And of course yours is every bit as valid as my own, but I'm finally no longer capable of believing this guy is ever going to change enough to win a Super Bowl. Absolutely the best pure skill set of anyone who has ever taken a snap from center inthe NFL (and that opinion is one that I will strongly defend as objective fact), but he's a total head case. This conspiracy theory bullshit that he's been spouting the last couple of weeks just seals the deal for me - his head doesn't work the way it was designed.

I'd prefer that head be some other team's postseaon heartbreak after this season, not ours. I've loved watching him play, but I'd like to experience the thrill of watching my Packers win at least one more Lombardi Trophy in the relatively few years I probably have left. It's impossible for me to believe that's going to happen with Rodgers still wearing a Green Bay uniform. I want to see him traded to Denver for 1st and 2nd round picks, and Adams tagged and traded, so we can start rebuilding now - while we still have some cards to play, before we have no choice, and no options.

for the first time in a while some agree with you and larger percentage would be ok with this; I'm sitll not sure where I am. Silverstein wrote a few days ago in JSO that if we trade Rodgers, and Adams, essentially we could draft a ton of elite defensive help and maybe get Jerry Jeudy to help out at WR. He argues we could set up the team for years to come. Figure out of Love is good on Matt's true offense, and roll the dice. I'd be more OK with this if Love has showed something but at least to me he has not. I keep hoping and praying the the Rodgers comes back for playoffs that we saw against Pittsburg. He had multiple WR's in that game he could trust. Besides Adams they were WAY WAY better than what we have surrounded him with now. So I tend to fall in the camp that hopes the Alabama receiver with the torn ACL falls into our lap if he has that much talent; but that does not help us next year.

Certainly looks like we have the wrong St Brown, and the opportunity was there to draft the right one last year when we instead drafted Amari Rodgers.


Time will tell I guess.
Brett

[beveaux1]

Perhaps the worst outcome for Packer fans would be if Rodgers decided to retire as he has started hinting at since early this year. We would get cap relief but no draft picks. I had never seen this as a real possibility given his MVP type play, but I’ve begun to sense that this may be a possibility. His talk about not coming back a year after his announcement makes me think that’s on his mind.

[Bretsky]

It would be TERRIBLE if he just retired. Some funny facebook musings I have to share.


The San Francisco 49ers didn't even draft Aaron Rodgers and he still gave us two wins
This is the second time this year Aaron Rodgers fooled us into thinking he had a shot.

[bobblehead]

You're probably right that I'm being overly bombastic, but I think I'm still frustrated and pissed about Saturday night. It's the culmination of several years of increasing frustration and disillusionment with Rodgers, all come to a head.

You're right, I know that my opinion is just that - an opinion, and certainly not objective fact. And of course yours is every bit as valid as my own, but I'm finally no longer capable of believing this guy is ever going to change enough to win a Super Bowl. Absolutely the best pure skill set of anyone who has ever taken a snap from center inthe NFL (and that opinion is one that I will strongly defend as objective fact), but he's a total head case. This conspiracy theory bullshit that he's been spouting the last couple of weeks just seals the deal for me - his head doesn't work the way it was designed.

I'd prefer that head be some other team's postseaon heartbreak after this season, not ours. I've loved watching him play, but I'd like to experience the thrill of watching my Packers win at least one more Lombardi Trophy in the relatively few years I probably have left. It's impossible for me to believe that's going to happen with Rodgers still wearing a Green Bay uniform. I want to see him traded to Denver for 1st and 2nd round picks, and Adams tagged and traded, so we can start rebuilding now - while we still have some cards to play, before we have no choice, and no options.

Your opinion is welcome. If you would like to spout off your own stupidity and come to FYI and defend it I look forward to robust discussion. However in the football section keep your own ignorant, non fact based political opinions to yourself. Or you can be like HH, state something we aren't allowed to discuss as a fact when you are horribly wrong and uninformed and then hope Mad stops me and others from exposing your ignorance.

[Sparkey]

Tex is making the most sense out of anyone here but I think he’s a little off. I do think we’re gonna have to make a couple tough decisions and move on from a couple players we don’t want to move on from.

But for the most part they can keep the band together.

I can pretty much guarantee the 2022 secondary is going to be better than 2021. Stokes will be much improved and Jaire will be a big boost over anyone we had playing this year.

I can also pretty much guarantee the OL will be better. Bakh should be back. Jenkins will be back mid season. Yosh will be better. Meyers will be better. Newman will be better. Even Runyan should be better. The whole OL should be improved.

We’ll lose a couple players but mostly stay in tact and be better in a couple spots. We can have another good year with mostly the same
Team. And it’s done by pushing money ahead like Tex talks about.

What if no one likes the damned music the band keeps playing ?

[Spaulding]

You're probably right that I'm being overly bombastic, but I think I'm still frustrated and pissed about Saturday night. It's the culmination of several years of increasing frustration and disillusionment with Rodgers, all come to a head.

You're right, I know that my opinion is just that - an opinion, and certainly not objective fact. And of course yours is every bit as valid as my own, but I'm finally no longer capable of believing this guy is ever going to change enough to win a Super Bowl. Absolutely the best pure skill set of anyone who has ever taken a snap from center inthe NFL (and that opinion is one that I will strongly defend as objective fact), but he's a total head case. This conspiracy theory bullshit that he's been spouting the last couple of weeks just seals the deal for me - his head doesn't work the way it was designed.

I'd prefer that head be some other team's postseaon heartbreak after this season, not ours. I've loved watching him play, but I'd like to experience the thrill of watching my Packers win at least one more Lombardi Trophy in the relatively few years I probably have left. It's impossible for me to believe that's going to happen with Rodgers still wearing a Green Bay uniform. I want to see him traded to Denver for 1st and 2nd round picks, and Adams tagged and traded, so we can start rebuilding now - while we still have some cards to play, before we have no choice, and no options.

I'm here as well. Rodgers as talented and successful as he's been in the regular season isn't the same player in the playoffs for whatever reason. He obviously gives us the best chance to make the playoffs in 2022 but given prior history, it's seems to be just prolonging the season's disappointing end. It's almost like we're a slightly more successful version of the Vikings these days.

Moving on for him has the potential to give the organization it's best chance of success post Rodgers and a fresh start for him might be just what he needs to get over that playoff hump that seems to exist for him here.

Given the cap situation, I don't see how the team can be any better this coming year than it was this year and thus while other teams improve, we're likely going the opposite direction. We had so many factors in our favor these playoffs (returning players, a solid defense, home field advantage with fans in the stands, etc.) and yet came up short.

Should be an interesting offseason to say the least.

[call_me_ishmael]

I think "refusal" is a bit too strong.

Had we drafted Justin Jefferson for instance, he'd still be lighting up the NFL with Green Bay.
Perhaps Aiyuk as well. He's made some really poor decisions and locks into Adams too much
But we can win a Super Bowl With Rodgers

I have seen some sights indicating they think Alabama's all world WR who tore his ACL might fall into the late 20's. You give Rodgers a talent and he'll get confident really soon

LOL this one is tough because you're sort of in the JLO situation of not having a player next year and being a rookie in the year when he should be a key contributor. Tough deal, but I'd still consider it.

[call_me_ishmael]

Can you just "tear up" a contract and redo it? Like... is Aaron's 2022 numbers locked in, or can they be changed via an "extension" even though technically the terms of the new contract wouldn't begin until 2023?

I assume you can "tear up" the contract because they did last year to remove a year.

Assuming you *can* do the above, I put together this quick table in about 10 minutes.

Z - cut him and save 15M

Baktiari - Convert 3.2M base to 1M w/ rest becoming signing bonus (2.2M savings this year), Convert the 9.5M roster bonus into signing bonus (3.17M savings this year), save total of 5.3M

Rodgers - Redo contract to be a 3 year deal w/ minimum base salary and the rest as a signing bonus. 37M per year. 
	1M base salary per year
	108M signing bonus
	Use 5 void years
	13.5 signing bonus per year (5 years of carrying 13.5 dead cap, or they could do a retirement contract and redo it so the piper is paid over a year or two)

	Rodgers cap number is 14.5M this year

	So reducing his cap number from 48M to 13.5M is a saving of 35M

	Let's say they did 2 void years (for the post-Rodgers rebuild)

	1M base salary per year
	108M signing bonus
	Use 2 void years
	21.6 signing bonus per year

	Rodgers cap number this year is 22.M


Preston - Sign to a 2 year extension, 11M per year (hopefully realistic)
	- Convert 3.4M of roster bonus to signing bonus (save 1.13M this year)
    - Redo this year's salary from 8.35M to 1.35M and convert 7M to signing bonus (Save 2.3M this year)
    - Save total of ~3.5M without sacrificing future very much at all


Davante - Sign to 3 year deal worth 75M
	a. 1M salary per year
	b. 24M signing bonus per year
	c. 5 void years
	Cap hit per year is 9 per year

They can easily get under the cap and bring most folks back without totally blowing it up or FUBARing the cap too badly. It will be painful for a year or two post rodgers, but that's it. No biggie and frankly helps the rebuild.

[red]

Can you just "tear up" a contract and redo it? Like... is Aaron's 2022 numbers locked in, or can they be changed via an "extension" even though technically the terms of the new contract wouldn't begin until 2023?

I assume you can "tear up" the contract because they did last year to remove a year.

no, you can't just tear up a contract. the pro rated cap him remains . right now, out of his 46.6 million dollar cap hit, over 19 million of it comes from the pro rated signing bonus. that number CAN NOT go down, it can only go up


now. when you rework a deal. you don't usually just wipe out everything and start from scratch. you take the salary amount they are suppose to get this year and include it into a signing bonus for a new longer deal. rodgers salary next year is 27 million. the new signing bonus will be a t least that. now a rod isn't just gonna sign a new longer extension with just a 27 million dollor signing bonus. why would he? he's suppose to make that much any ways this year

i would guess that at best, if we re work his deal, we would kick a ton down the road to eat up future cap, and then he would still end up with a cap number next year of at least 30 million
so thats our starting point for his cap number if he stay