2022 NFL Draft Talk

[run pMc]

How does clay Matthews run a 6.9 3 cone and jj watt a 6.88 and a smaller faster guy like Dotson runs a 7.28. Is that strange to anyone else

It's a little strange, but JJ was a monster, and if you go back an look at early Clay you'd believe it. Dude was incredibly quick and springy.

I do think the current Shanahan proteges like having 200+ receivers to run block, plus they are likely to survive big hits and get YAC. Even the little guy Gute took last year (Amari Rodgers) was 205 at 5-9. That's RB size. In short, I do think it's by design, and having a shorter speed guy is more of a gimmick or PR/KR player.

Dotson certainly could pan out but I'm not convinced he's a clear fit for MLF. If he's there in R2 and they take him it's decent value and I'd be curious to see how they use him. Watkins is slightly above average size, Lazard is a monster, and Cobb/Rodgers are small. I'd think they'd restock with bigger receivers but talent is talent and they need more of it at WR.

Skyy Moore looks ok -- seems like he plays tough for his size, runs good routes, has pretty good hands and was very productive in the MAC. PFF loves him, for what that's worth. I think he has better hands than Dotson, but Dotson's not bad.
I haven't looked at Calvin Austin just based on his size, but I've heard people rave about him.

[Joemailman]

Alec Pierce of Cincinnati is now my favorite guy in the draft. Like me and my brothers, he grew up in the Chicago area but was always a Packer fan. On Friday night, make it happen Gute!

LaFleur is very close with Mike Denbrock, who has been Pierce's OC his whole career in Cincinnati. They coached together at Notre Dame in 2014 when LaFleur was QB coach and Denbrock was OC/WR coach.

[Deputy Nutz]

Having receivers that have size/strength that can block messes with the count, 3 receivers or more forces defenses to play nickel, but then you see the condensed sets with WR crack blocking on linebackers and even defensive ends. Novel concept, I guess. Think of Allen Lazard for the Packers, who brings a lot of value to the offensive for his ability to block like a tight end.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I love the 1v1 film.

Jahan Dotson vs. Roger McCreary

Roger McCreary is the consensus #6 CB who is projected to be a 2nd round pick. I think he is slightly overrated because of a really good game against Alabama. I had given McCreary one of the best press/man grades, but gave him one of the worst zone grades. Not a lot of teams play press/man all game anymore, so I like my CBs to be a little more versatile. He also has really short arms--below the threshold the Packers like. I don't have arm measurements before 2009, but the Packers have not drafted a CB with arms shorter than 30 1/4" since then. McCreary has 28 7/8" arms.

[HarveyWallbangers]

OL Dylan Parham vs DL Logan Hall

I like both guys, but I watched the entire game (Memphis offense vs Houston defense) and had given Parham a clear victory in this one.

[Joemailman]

It would certainly be interesting to know how many WR's Gute has a 1st round grade on. Most draft sites have 5-6.

I see on some sites Drake London dropping a bit, likely due to his refusal to run the 40. I wonder if teams will downgrade him due to speed concerns, or whether they will just stick with the game tape.

[Fritz]

I would think the ol' Guter's got to take at least one wide receiver with one of those first three picks, maybe even one of the first two. After that, he'll probably look for those hidden gems.

[HarveyWallbangers]

It would certainly be interesting to know how many WR's Gute has a 1st round grade on. Most draft sites have 5-6.

I see on some sites Drake London dropping a bit, likely due to his refusal to run the 40. I wonder if teams will downgrade him due to speed concerns, or whether they will just stick with the game tape.

I don't know if it's a refusal. The dude did fracture his foot.

[RashanGary]

LaFleur is very close with Mike Denbrock, who has been Pierce's OC his whole career in Cincinnati. They coached together at Notre Dame in 2014 when LaFleur was QB coach and Denbrock was OC/WR coach.

A big red flag on Pierce is he only got 55 for 880 yards with a solid senior quarterback. The next guy got 500. So close.

For comparisons sake, Jordy Nelson went 122 for 1606 yards. Jennings went 98 for 1259. Davante Adams went 131 for 1719. Pierce does not fit the mold of being a playmaker like the guys weve had success with. Im not sold.

[RashanGary]

I love the 1v1 film.

Jahan Dotson vs. Roger McCreary

Roger McCreary is the consensus #6 CB who is projected to be a 2nd round pick. I think he is slightly overrated because of a really good game against Alabama. I had given McCreary one of the best press/man grades, but gave him one of the worst zone grades. Not a lot of teams play press/man all game anymore, so I like my CBs to be a little more versatile. He also has really short arms--below the threshold the Packers like. I don't have arm measurements before 2009, but the Packers have not drafted a CB with arms shorter than 30 1/4" since then. McCreary has 28 7/8" arms.

Nothing there says no on Dotson. He doesnt look small. He looks like a WR.

[RashanGary]

Another guy im not sold on is Jameson Williams. Hes 6-2 and weighs 179 pounds. Jahan Dotson is three inches shorter and the same weight. A little more solid for Dotson. Williams is gonna get broken in half.

Jameson Williams highlight reel is full of wide open uncovered bombs down the middle. They schemed him wide open for those free plays. Its not like watching Jordy Nelson catch 122 passes with Mfs draped on him because hes the only weapon they had at Kansas.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Another guy im not sold on is Jameson Williams. Hes 6-2 and weighs 179 pounds. Jahan Dotson is three inches shorter and the same weight. A little more solid for Dotson. Williams is gonna get broken in half.

Jameson Williams highlight reel is full of wide open uncovered bombs down the middle. They schemed him wide open for those free plays. Its not like watching Jordy Nelson catch 122 passes with Mfs draped on him because hes the only weapon they had at Kansas.

I think he's a tad overrated also, but I do think he plays a bit more than that. He had not been able to train much since his ACL injury. He also may have been sick before the combine. I might be misremembering that. Myjai Sanders got sicked before the combine and weighed 228. A couple of weeks later he weighed 247 at his Pro Day. Williams may have played closer to 190. Still slight.

[HarveyWallbangers]

What do you Badger fans think of DL Matt Henningsen? I just watched a few games of him. He looked solid. He looked more like a midround pick (round 5, maybe late round 4) to me. He didn't get invited to the combine and is projected to be a late round pick. Dude is a good athlete, and it looks like he has decent power and hands. He might be my favorite prospect that didn't get invited to the scouting combine that I've looked at so far.

[RashanGary]

Why dont I see any pro day results?? Did Covid stop pro days or are guys just not running at them anymore?

[RashanGary]

Are we sleeping on Jalen Tolbert?? He has good size, really solid 40 time, monster production, decent enough 3 cone. Maybe Tolbert at the end of the second?