I did my initial look at the QB prospects. This QB class really is not very good. Kenny Pickett is probably the safe, Derek Carr-type pick. Even he has question marks with his tiny hands. I want to like others, but I'm just not seeing it. Malik Willis is like a Trey Lance-lite, but he's 6'0" instead of 6'4", doesn't have the arm strength Lance has (Lance has one of the strongest arms in the NFL), and is even less accurate. Not a fan of Corrall. Strong is a statue. I'm not feeling Ridder. Shades of Deshone Kizer. I sort of like Howell in the 2nd or 3rd round. About the only late guy that caught my eye is Chase Garbers of Cal. I hope he gets an invite to the combine. E.J. Perry sounds intriguing, but there's like no tape on him--except a 4 minute highlight video.
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If we lose12 Howell in the 2nd is a great start to back up love for a couple years. As Gumby and others have mentioned wolf got a qb every year. We should as well. We have been very lucky i. Terms of low injuries to our starting an for 3 decades. That is not normal (I think).All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.
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Howell is on the short side also at a shade under 6'1" and I'm not convinced he's any better than Jordan Love. Just my opinion, but he doesn't wow me as a pro prospect. Pass and wait for the 2023 draft for QB. Agree this draft class is not good at QB.
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I noticed that too. Lots of guys 6-1 or shorter. Bad year for teams drafting early who really need a QB. Not sure there's anybody worth taking in top 16.Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers View PostAlmost every QB in this draft is short. It’s the shortest class I’ve ever seen.I can't run no more
With that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places
Say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
A thundercloud
They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen
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Wolf did draft QB's a lot, but to be clear, they were often late-round picks. A guy named Ronnie McAda from Army, I think, in the seventh round. Hasselback was a sixth-rounder. Brunell, fifth round. Aaron Brooks, fourth. Ty Detmer.Originally posted by Upnorth View PostIf we lose12 Howell in the 2nd is a great start to back up love for a couple years. As Gumby and others have mentioned wolf got a qb every year. We should as well. We have been very lucky i. Terms of low injuries to our starting an for 3 decades. That is not normal (I think).
Of those, Brunell and Hasselbeck became good NFL QB's, and if I recall correctly, he was able to trade Brooks to New Orleans.
So it might be good to draft QB's every year, but maybe you don't have to look in the first or second round or even the third.
But I wonder if the position has changed and if teams are so much sharper now that the likelihood of a Hasselbeck in the sixth has been diminished.
Still, an impressive list."The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
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2 WRs in the top 4 rounds and a TE in the 5th.Swede: My expertise in this area is extensive. The essential difference between a "battleship" and an "aircraft carrier" is that an aircraft carrier requires five direct hits to sink, but it takes only four direct hits to sink a battleship.
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NFL Combine invitees by position
Quarterbacks
Jack Coan, Notre Dame
Matt Corral, Mississippi
Dustin Crum, Kent State
Kaleb Eleby, Western Michigan
Sam Howell, North Carolina
Cole Kelley, Southeastern Louisiana
D'Eriq King, Miami
EJ Perry, Brown
Kenny Pickett, Pittsburgh
Brock Purdy, Iowa State
Desmond Ridder, Cincinnati
Carson Strong, Nevada
Skylar Thompson, Kansas State
Malik Willis, Liberty
Bailey Zappe, Western Kentucky
Running backs
Tyler Allgeier, BYU
Tyler Badie, Missouri
Greg Bell, San Diego State
Max Borghi, Washington State
Kennedy Brooks, Oklahoma
Leddie Brown, West Virginia
Ty Chandler, North Carolina
Snoop Conner, Mississippi
James Cook, Georgia
Jashaun Corbin, Florida State
Ty Davis-Price, LSU
Jerrion Ealy, Mississippi
Trestan Ebner, Baylor
Jerome Ford, Cincinnati
Tyler Goodson, Iowa
Breece Hall, Iowa State
Kevin Harris, South Carolina
Hassan Haskins, Michigan
Keaontay Ingram, USC
Bam Knight, N.C. State
Sincere McCormick, UTSA
Isaih Pacheco, Rutgers
Dameon Pierce, Florida
D'vonte Price, Florida International
Ronnie Rivers, Fresno State
Brian Robinson, Alabama
Abram Smith, Baylor
Isaiah Spiller, Texas A&M
Pierre Strong, South Dakota State
CJ Verdell, Oregon
Kenny Walker III, Michigan State
Jaylen Warren, Oklahoma State
Rachaad White, Arizona State
Zamir White, Georgia
ZaQuandre White, South Carolina
Kyren Williams, Notre Dame
Wide receivers
Calvin Austin, Memphis
Kevin Austin Jr., Notre Dame
David Bell, Purdue
Slade Bolden, Alabama
Treylon Burks, Arkansas
Dai'Jean Dixon, Nicholls State
Jahan Dotson, Penn State
Romeo Doubs, Nevada
Dontario Drummond, Mississippi
Erik Ezukanma, Texas Tech
Ty Fryfogle, Indiana
Danny Gray, SMU
Johnny Johnson III, Oregon
Josh Johnson, Tulsa
Velus Jones, Tennessee
Drake London, USC
Bo Melton, Rutgers
John Metchie, Alabama
Skyy Moore, Western Michigan
Jalen Nailor, Michigan State
Chris Olave, Ohio State
Kyle Philips, UCLA
George Pickens, Georgia
Alec Pierce, Cincinnati
Makai Polk, Mississippi State
Charleston Rambo, Miami
Reggie Roberson Jr., SMU
Wan'Dale Robinson, Kentucky
Justyn Ross, Clemson
Braylon Sanders, Mississippi
Khalil Shakir, Boise State
Tyquan Thornton, Baylor
Jalen Tolbert, South Alabama
Tré Turner, Virginia Tech
Christian Watson, North Dakota State
Isaiah Weston, Northern Iowa
Devon Williams, Oregon
Jameson Williams, Alabama
Garrett Wilson, Ohio State
Mike Woods, Oklahoma
Tight ends
Austin Allen, Nebraska
Chase Allen, Iowa State
Daniel Bellinger, San Diego State
Grant Calcattera, SMU
Greg Dulcich, UCLA
Jake Ferguson, Wisconsin
Jeremiah Hall, Oklahoma
Peyton Hendershot, Indiana
Connor Heyward, Michigan State
Curtis Hodges, Arizona State
Charlie Kolar, Iowa State
Isaiah Likely, Coastal Carolina
Trey McBride, Colorado State
James Mitchell, Virginia Tech
Chig Okonkwo, Maryland
Cade Otton, Washington
Teagan Quitoriano, Oregon State
Jeremy Ruckert, Ohio State
Cole Turner, Nevada
Jelani Woods, Virginia
Jalen Wydermyer, Texas A&M
Offensive linemen
Blaise Andries, Minnesota
Ben Brown, Mississippi
Logan Bruss, Wisconsin
Spencer Burford, UTSA
Ja'Tyre Carter, Southern
Charles Cross, Mississippi State
Myron Cunningham, Arkansas
Dawson Deaton, Texas Tech
Austin Deculus, LSU
Kellen Diesch, Arizona State
Bill Dunkle, San Diego State
Ickey Ekwonu, N.C. State
Obinna Eze, TCU
Joshua Ezeudu, North Carolina
Daniel Faalele, Minnesota
Luke Fortner, Kentucky
Luke Goedeke, Central Michigan
Kenyon Green, Texas A&M
Marquis Hayes, Oklahoma
Chasen Hines, LSU
Ed Ingram, LSU
Zion Johnson, Boston College
Braxton Jones, Southern Utah
Cam Jurgens, Nebraska
Darian Kinnard, Kentucky
Tyler Linderbaum, Iowa
Alec Lindstrom, Boston College
Vederian Lowe, Illinois
Abraham Lucas, Washington State
Cade Mays, Tennessee
Marcus McKethan, North Carolina
Max Mitchell, Louisiana
Thayer Munford Jr., Ohio State
Evan Neal, Alabama
Dylan Parham, Memphis
Chris Paul, Tulsa
Trevor Penning, Northern Iowa
Nick Petit-Frere, Ohio State
Bernhard Raimann, Central Michigan
Sean Rhyan, UCLA
Tyrese Robinson, Oklahoma
Dare Rosenthal, Kentucky
Andrew Rupcich, Culver-Stockton
Jamaree Salyer, Georgia
Justin Shaffer, Georgia
Lecitus Smith, Virginia Tech
Tyler Smith, Tulsa
Cole Strange, Tennessee-Chattanooga
Andrew Stueber, Michigan
Luke Tenuta, Virginia Tech
Zach Thomas, San Diego State
Zach Tom, Wake Forest
Cordell Volson, North Dakota State
Matt Waletzko, North Dakota
Rasheed Walker, Penn State
Luke Wattenberg, Washington
Dohnovan West, Arizona State
Nick Zakelj, FordhamI can't run no more
With that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places
Say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
A thundercloud
They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen
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Defensive linemen
Amaré Barno, Virginia Tech
Nik Bonitto, Oklahoma
Thomas Booker, Stanford
Matthew Butler, Tennessee
Zach Carter, Florida
Micheal Clemons, Texas A&M
DJ Davidson, Arizona State
Jordan Davis, Georgia
Kalia Davis, UCF
Arnold Ebiketie, Penn State
Noah Elliss, Idaho
Kingsley Enagbare, South Carolina
Neil Farrell, LSU
Jonathan Ford, Miami
Haskell Garrett, Ohio State
Jeffrey Gunter, Coastal Carolina
Logan Hall, Houston
Chris Hinton, Michigan
Aidan Hutchinson, Michigan
Jordan Jackson, Air Force
Tyree Johnson, Texas A&M
Travis Jones, Connecticut
George Karlaftis, Purdue
DeMarvin Leal, Texas A&M
Jesse Luketa, Penn State
DeAngelo Malone, Western Kentucky
Phidarian Mathis, Alabama
Marquan McCall, Kentucky
Otito Ogbonnia, UCLA
David Ojabo, Michigan
Esezi Otomewo, Minnesota
Joshua Paschal, Kentucky
Jayden Peevy, Texas A&M
LaBryan Ray, Alabama
John Ridgeway, Arkansas
Dominique Robinson, Miami (Ohio)
Myjai Sanders, Cincinnati
Tyreke Smith, Ohio State
Myron Tagovailoa-Amosa, Notre Dame
Kayvon Thibodeaux, Oregon
Cameron Thomas, San Diego State
Isaiah Thomas, Oklahoma
Eyioma Uwazurike, Iowa State
Travon Walker, Georgia
Sam Williams, Mississippi
Perrion Winfrey, Oklahoma
Alex Wright, UAB
Devonte Wyatt, Georgia
Linebackers
Christopher Allen, Alabama
Troy Andersen, Montana State
Brian Asamoah, Oklahoma
Darrian Beavers, Cincinnati
Terrel Bernard, Baylor
Darien Butler, Arizona State
Chance Campbell, Mississippi
Leo Chenal, Wisconsin
Damone Clark, LSU
Nakobe Dean, Georgia
JoJo Domann, Nebraska
Jeremiah Gemmel, North Carolina
Isaiah Graham-Mobley, Boston College
Jake Hansen, Illinois
Aaron Hansford, Texas A&M
Christian Harris, Alabama
D'Marco Jackson, Appalachian State
Drake Jackson, USC
Jermaine Johnson II, Florida State
Nate Landman, Colorado
Devin Lloyd, Utah
Boye Mafe, Minnesota
Zakoby McClain, Auburn
Micah McFadden, Indiana
Jeremiah Moon, Florida
Chad Muma, Wyoming
Malcolm Rodriguez, Oklahoma State
Mike Rose, Iowa State
Josh Ross, Michigan
Jack Sanborn, Wisconsin
Nephi Sewell, Utah
Brandon Smith, Penn State
Baylon Spector, Clemson
Channing Tindall, Georgia
Quay Walker, Georgia
Tre Williams, Arkansas
Defensive backs
Tycen Anderson, Toledo
Jalyn Armour-Davis, Alabama
Kalon Barnes, Baylor
Markquese Bell, Florida A&M
Dane Belton, Iowa
Bubba Bolden, Miami
Andrew Booth, Clemson
Jaquan Brisker, Penn State
Montaric Brown, Arkansas
Coby Bryant, Cincinnati
Percy Butler, Louisiana
Tariq Castro-Fields, Penn State
Lewis Cine, Georgia
Qwynnterrio Cole, Louisville
Bryan Cook, Cincinnati
Yusuf Corker, Kentucky
Nick Cross, Maryland
Cobie Durant, South Carolina State
Kaiir Elam, Florida
MJ Emerson, Mississippi State
Akayleb Evans, Missouri
DaMarcus Fields, Texas Tech
Cordale Flott, LSU
Sauce Gardner, Cincinnati
Mario Goodrich, Clemson
Kyler Gordon, Washington
Vincent Gray, Michigan
Kyle Hamilton, Notre Dame
Kolby Harvell-Peel, Oklahoma State
Dax Hill, Michigan
Joshua Jobe, Alabama
Jack Jones, Arizona State
Marcus Jones, Houston
Kerby Joseph, Illinois
Derion Kendrick, Georgia
Quentin Lake, UCLA
Chase Lucas, Arizona State
Damarri Mathis, Pittsburgh
Zyon McCollum, Sam Houston State
Roger McCreary, Auburn
Trent McDuffie, Washington
Verone McKinley III, Oregon
Smoke Monday, Auburn
Leon O'Neal, Texas A&M
Jalen Pitre, Baylor
Chris Steele, USC
Derek Stingley Jr., LSU
Alontae Taylor, Tennessee
Cam Taylor-Britt, Nebraska
Isaac Taylor-Stuart, USC
Juanyeh Thomas, Georgia Tech
Josh Thompson, Texas
Delarrin Turner-Yell, Oklahoma
Jermaine Waller, Virginia Tech
Jaylen Watson, Washington State
Sam Webb, Missouri Western State
Joshua Williams, Fayetteville State
Pepe Williams, Houston
JT Woods, Baylor
Tariq Woolen, UTSA
Mykael Wright, Oregon
Specialists
Cal Adomitis, LS, Pittsburgh
Matt Araiza, P, San Diego State
Gabe Brkic, K, Oklahoma
Jake Camarda, P, Georgia
Cameron Dicker, K, Texas
Trenton Gill, P, N.C. State
Blake Hayes, P, Illinois
Jordan Stout, P, Penn State
Cade York, K, LSUI can't run no more
With that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places
Say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
A thundercloud
They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen
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Didn't the teams usually keep 3 QBs on the main roster most of the time in the Wolf days?Originally posted by Fritz View PostWolf did draft QB's a lot, but to be clear, they were often late-round picks. A guy named Ronnie McAda from Army, I think, in the seventh round. Hasselback was a sixth-rounder. Brunell, fifth round. Aaron Brooks, fourth. Ty Detmer.
Of those, Brunell and Hasselbeck became good NFL QB's, and if I recall correctly, he was able to trade Brooks to New Orleans.
So it might be good to draft QB's every year, but maybe you don't have to look in the first or second round or even the third.
But I wonder if the position has changed and if teams are so much sharper now that the likelihood of a Hasselbeck in the sixth has been diminished.
Still, an impressive list.
Since it is generally 2 active now, maybe don't draft them quite as often. Or maybe take more 6th and 7th rounders and keep them on the taxi squad.
Wondering if there is a late round guy out there this year that is better than Etling or Benkert.
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Until we are settled at qb 1 I dont think we can wait and hope for talent in late rounds. If 12 goes we need someone and love is only a 50/50 shot imo.Originally posted by Fritz View PostWolf did draft QB's a lot, but to be clear, they were often late-round picks. A guy named Ronnie McAda from Army, I think, in the seventh round. Hasselback was a sixth-rounder. Brunell, fifth round. Aaron Brooks, fourth. Ty Detmer.
Of those, Brunell and Hasselbeck became good NFL QB's, and if I recall correctly, he was able to trade Brooks to New Orleans.
So it might be good to draft QB's every year, but maybe you don't have to look in the first or second round or even the third.
But I wonder if the position has changed and if teams are so much sharper now that the likelihood of a Hasselbeck in the sixth has been diminished.
Still, an impressive list.All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.
George Orwell
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Weak QB class and weak RB class. Before seeing what they do at the combine, I probably like Breece Hall the most. Big RB, not very explosive, has some deep speed, but kind of does everything well. Prototypical Bears RB that isn't very explosive, but is solid in all phases (Matt Forte, David Montgomery type). I like Jerome Ford a bit more than most. I like James Cook as a third down RB, but he doesn't have his brother's chops as a runner (has little power and doesn't break many tackles). I like Tyler Badie as a third down RB a bit more than most. There is some size to this RB crop, but not much speed. There were a lot of RBs invited to the combine. Around 20 RBs are drafted on average, and there were 35+ RBs invited to the combine. That tells me there are a lot of question marks at the position. I'm about halfway through those invited to the combine. No one stands out like Javonte Williams did for me last year."There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson
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I took Draft Network's Top 100 and broke it down. Number of top 100 players at each position, and their individual big board position. WR, Edge and CB the big winners.
QB: (6) 20, 34, 35, 40, 42, 49
RB: (6) 38, 51, 76, 80, 89, 96
WR: (15) 13, 17, 24, 26, 27, 30, 36, 39, 52, 61, 83, 86, 93, 94, 98
TE: (5) 43, 57, 65, 78, 82
OT: (9) 4, 7, 12, 21, 28, 47, 75, 95, 99
IOL: (8) 10,11, 32, 50, 54, 58, 70, 73
IDL: (6) 14, 16, 46, 48, 62, 64
Edge: (16) 1, 3, 8, 15, 19, 29, 37, 44, 55, 56, 60, 63, 67, 81, 87, 91
LB: (10) 9, 23, 45, 59, 66, 68, 72, 74, 88, 100
CB: (15) 5, 6, 18, 22, 33, 41, 53, 71, 77, 79, 84, 85, 90, 92, 97
S: (4) 2, 25, 31, 69I can't run no more
With that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places
Say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
A thundercloud
They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen
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