Matthew Staffords HOF chances

[King Friday]

Numbers aren't everything. Big Ben won 2 super bowls, went to 3. He never had a losing season, Stafford has had, what, 2 or 3 winning seasons? Big Ben is fringe IMO though because I'm not sure he was ever top 2 or 3 at his position. I don't really view him that different than Phil Rivers either if not for the super bowls.

You continue to hold the Lions against Stafford. It wasn't his fault the Lions were horse shit. He put up good numbers on a team mostly devoid of offensive talent. Few QBs could even handle that situation. Many put in the same boat as top draft picks failed horribly.

[RashanGary]

Stafford is 6th best odds to win MVP next year and I like his chances being in the second year of the offense. If he wins it, that locks up his Canton bid because his numbers will be there.

[Upnorth]

If a QB wins 2 he is in the Hall.

Eli will be so undeserving. He is way less deserving than troy aikman who is undeserving. Stupid nfce

[bobblehead]

BTW

Stafford was #4 in QBR rating this past season. He absolutely was a top 5 QB last season. He threw for almost 5,000 yards and 41 TDs.

And won a title.

So which of my top 5 would you replace with Stafford? Burrow who almost beat him in the owl with a far inferior roster, or Allen who is just better at nearly everything? Brady? Maybe, but its close and Brady is 44.

I don't go by stats so much, because that can be the result of a lot of things. I go by saying that each generation only a small handful should be considered all time greats. During Staffords career I have always considered him not quite top 5 in any year. Even this year, him being on a loaded roster I don't think he was.

[bobblehead]

You continue to hold the Lions against Stafford. It wasn't his fault the Lions were horse shit. He put up good numbers on a team mostly devoid of offensive talent. Few QBs could even handle that situation. Many put in the same boat as top draft picks failed horribly.

I disagree. GREAT QBs don't say "its not my fault". We have had hours of debate on GB giving Rodgers enough talent. He wins even when the talent isn't quite as good. Greatness does in fact elevate others, at least to the wildcard. Stafford doesn't do that.

[King Friday]

I disagree. GREAT QBs don't say "its not my fault". We have had hours of debate on GB giving Rodgers enough talent. He wins even when the talent isn't quite as good. Greatness does in fact elevate others, at least to the wildcard. Stafford doesn't do that.

The talent around Rodgers is ridiculously good compared to ANYTHING Stafford had in Detroit. Rodgers played behind possibly the best LT in the game during much of his career...and also has had an abundance of riches at WR. Jennings? Driver? Jordy? Adams? Every single one of those guys is heads and shoulders better than anyone in Detroit the last 10+ seasons.

Put Rodgers in Detroit, and he isn't a top 5 QB in the league. He would likely make them a marginal playoff team, which is still a miracle...but that kind of team finish doesn't get you into the top 5 as QB.

[RashanGary]

The talent around Rodgers is ridiculously good compared to ANYTHING Stafford had in Detroit. Rodgers played behind possibly the best LT in the game during much of his career...and also has had an abundance of riches at WR. Jennings? Driver? Jordy? Adams? Every single one of those guys is heads and shoulders better than anyone in Detroit the last 10+ seasons.

Put Rodgers in Detroit, and he isn't a top 5 QB in the league. He would likely make them a marginal playoff team, which is still a miracle...but that kind of team finish doesn't get you into the top 5 as QB.

He had megatron, Golladay, Tate and Marvin Jones.

[RashanGary]

I think Stafford is the most underrated QB of the last 20 years because of the bad teams he played on.

However, one probowl does not equal HOF.

He still has a chance to finish strong with an MVP, pro bowls and maybe another super bowl. He has an outside shot.

But he is on the outside looking in now.

[RashanGary]

Stafford is a 1 time pro bowler.

Rivers is an 8 time pro bowler.

I think Stafford needs 3 more pro bowls and an MVP to have a shot.

[run pMc]

No. He should not be in the HOF.

Stafford has had a lot of stat padding. In 2012 he attempted over 700 passes at a low 6.8 y/a and still managed to complete less than 60% of them. In 12 seasons he's finished TWO seasons with a QB rating over 100.
There's the eyeball test as well: he makes some good throws followed by terrible ones.

He's had talent to throw to, despite being on some garbage Detroit teams. (Imagine Rodgers throwing to Megatron.) Rodgers has lifted mediocre teams to NFCN titles; Stafford hasn't done that.

And yes...Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, and Joe Flacco have won a SB too.

You could say he's a good QB but not HOF worthy. Right now there are at least 5 QBs in the league you'd probably take over him.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

No. He should not be in the HOF.

Stafford has had a lot of stat padding. In 2012 he attempted over 700 passes at a low 6.8 y/a and still managed to complete less than 60% of them. In 12 seasons he's finished TWO seasons with a QB rating over 100.
There's the eyeball test as well: he makes some good throws followed by terrible ones.

He's had talent to throw to, despite being on some garbage Detroit teams. (Imagine Rodgers throwing to Megatron.) Rodgers has lifted mediocre teams to NFCN titles; Stafford hasn't done that.

And yes...Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, and Joe Flacco have won a SB too.

You could say he's a good QB but not HOF worthy. Right now there are at least 5 QBs in the league you'd probably take over him.

Matt Ryan will eventually get in...with, odds are good, zero rings. If Stafford retires today, he might not be a first ballot, but eventually, the ring will shine bright enough to get him in.

[RashanGary]

Matt Ryan will eventually get in...with, odds are good, zero rings. If Stafford retires today, he might not be a first ballot, but eventually, the ring will shine bright enough to get him in.

One pro bowl. No way

[Upnorth]

If Stafford Eli and flacco get in I give up on the hall.

[run pMc]

For fun go watch the GB-DET Thanksgiving 2009 game. It's a nice trip down memory lane, and showcases the good and mostly bad of 'Stat Padford'.
He's talented but inconsistent; I don't think you can reward him a spot in the HOF.

I don't think Matt Ryan deserves to get in either. I think there were maybe 3 years where you could argue he was elite. His Superb Owl appearance helps his cause, but I always saw him as more facilitator/manager than playmaker.

Between 2010 and 2020, in what years where Stafford or Ryan a top 5 QB (by...let's say QB rating or DVOA)? I think you need to be in that list most of those years to be in the HOF. There are too many players at other positions who are as worthy if not more than those two.