Davante Adams traded?

[Teamcheez1]

I think Davante comes across as the jilted lover. He sounds like he was unhappy the Packers didn’t take care of his contract last year, and that just festered up through the use of the franchise tag.. That and living in AR’s shadow may have been all it took to take a comparable deal with LV and playing with Carr.

I wonder what the over/under is for his catches and yards next year? $28M is a lot of coin for a 30 year old receiver.

[HarveyWallbangers]

It seems logical that this is what Davante wanted all along. He grew up a Raiders fan and played with Carr in college. That whole Last Dance narrative started long before a irreparable contract impasse could have been reached. I think his camp might be putting that out in the media to take some heat off him. Oh well! I think the Packers may have gotten saved here. Paying a soon-to-be 30-year-old WR (even one as good as Davante) QB money is not proper roster building. Essentially, the Packers will get a 1st, 2nd, a couple of players, and flexibility to sign extensions for him.

This shows why the Packers were right to franchise him. They risked losing him for a possible 3rd compensatory pick otherwise. Even that wouldn’t have been guaranteed—depending on who was signed to replace him.

[bobblehead]

Wait until Adams gets to Las Vegas and discovers they don't have Kwik Trips or Culvers in Nevada.

You're picking at a scab of mine with no culvers here. But we got a couple things going for us. The weather here is gold 40 weeks a year.

[texaspackerbacker]

It seems logical that this is what Davante wanted all along. He grew up a Raiders fan and played with Carr in college. That whole Last Dance narrative started long before a irreparable contract impasse could have been reached. I think his camp might be putting that out in the media to take some heat off him. Oh well! I think the Packers may have gotten saved here. Paying a soon-to-be 30-year-old WR (even one as good as Davante) QB money is not proper roster building. Essentially, the Packers will get a 1st, 2nd, a couple of players, and flexibility to sign extensions for him.

This shows why the Packers were right to franchise him. They risked losing him for a possible 3rd compensatory pick otherwise. Even that wouldn’t have been guaranteed—depending on who was signed to replace him.

This on all counts.

[call_me_ishmael]

Yeah honestly I am not at all upset about him going. Feel they got fair comp. I’d rather have two guys each at half the price. I think it makes us better. We need several guys collectively to be better.

[HarveyWallbangers]

So, what should be the plan at WR? It seems like we need 2 WRs--one with deep speed and then another outside receiver. There isn't a lot available in FA that I'm enamored with. Odell Beckham probably won't play for most of the year. We don't really need half of our WRs to be small slot WRs--especially when we like to play with a Big Slot. That would seem to rule out the likes of Jarvis Landry, Cole Beasley, Jamison Crowder. I'm not really interested in the guys past their primes (Emmanuel Sanders, A.J. Green). That leaves Julio Jones, Will Fuller, MVS. Two other options, if all else fails, would be Sammy Watkins and Zach Pascal (if he's still available).

I'd be for taking a flyer on a prove it deal for Julio. I don't usually chase big names, but I thought Julio looked good when he played last year. There are worse guys to take a flyer on.

There aren't many trade candidates (Robert Woods has a big contract and is coming off an ACL injury). The one guy that interests me, and I've always been a fan of his, is Brandin Cooks for midround draft capital.

If you get Cooks, Fuller, or MVS (I prefer Fuller over MVS--depending on money), then I think looking for a WR with deep speed is less important in the draft.
If you get Watkins, or Pascall, then I think you look for a WR with deep speed in the draft.
If you get Julio, then you have a bit more flexibility.
If you don't get any significant FA WR, then I think you look for two guys in the draft.

Here's my ideal draft candidates in each scenario:

Trade for Cooks or sign Fuller/MVS, draft London, Burks, or Olave at #22 (if one falls) OR draft George Pickens, Christian Watson, Alec Pierce, Skyy Moore, or Jalen Tolbert with a later pick.

Sign Watkins or Pascal, draft Olave, Wilson, or Williams at #22 (if one falls) or draft Christian Watson or Alec Pierce with a later pick.

Sign Julio, then just draft any of the top 11 WRs (London, Burks, Olave, Wilson, Williams, Dotson, Watson, Pierce, Pickens, Moore, or Tolbert).

Don't sign any FAs, then the Packers may need to take 2 WRs by the end of day 2 (5 picks). I'd like to pair complimenting styles. That means drafting one amongst a group of London, Burks, Watson, Pierce, Pickens, Tolbert and one guy amongst a group of Olave, Wilson, Williams, Dotson, and Moore.

Outside of the top 5, I really think Watson and Pierce are great scheme fits. Watson blocks, has deep speed, he's good on jet motions, and can return kicks. Pierce is a bit of a Jordy Nelson clone. He has a similar playing style, he's a bit more athletic. His hands and route running aren't quite as good as Jordy coming out--although his route running can be refined.

Alec Pierce = 6'3" 211 with 4.41 40, 4.28 shuttle, 7.13 3-Cone
Jordy Nelson = 6'3" 217 with 4.51 40, 4.35 shuttle, 7.03 3-Cone

I still think Jordy played faster (especially his deep speed) than he timed.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Tell me this:

doesn't look like this:

The 1st and 4th plays look like Jordy's play against Aqib Talib, and his third play looks like Jordy's TD in the Super Bowl.

[Fritz]

I am sure that after the Packers draft a WR I've never heard of or don't know (I don't follow it like I used to), I will come back to your posts here, Harv, so I know how to feel about whoever they draft.

[run pMc]

Rambling thoughts...

Alec Pierce = 6'3" 211 with 4.41 40, 4.28 shuttle, 7.13 3-Cone
Jordy Nelson = 6'3" 217 with 4.51 40, 4.35 shuttle, 7.03 3-Cone

While it's occurred to me before, I've been somewhat hesitant to make the Jordy-Pierce comps because they are both big white WRs. There, I said it.
That out of the way, they do have some similarities in their game based on college highlights. If Pierce is as dedicated to working on his craft as Jordy was he'll be a good Day 2 pick. (I think it's unlikely he lasts past R3.) His production was a little weird and rarely seemed like a dominant receiver on the college level which is a bit of a concern but he's a decent prospect. I don't know them well enough (and I'm a layman) to tell if Pierce is a better prospect or has a higher ceiling than Nelson did.


Back to Adams: I'm with others who think you just can't pay a WR what amounts to QB money. It's not realistic to have the highest paid QB, LT, WR, etc. on your team.

As for that QB contract, every year Rodgers plays makes his walking away more expensive.

Retired Dead Cap:
2023: $40.3M
2024: $68.2M
2025: $76.8M

It's all projections and guessing, but from what I've seen on teh interwebz the 2025 cap is expected to be roughly around $275M, meaning whenever Rodgers is done he'll take somewhere around 25-30% of the cap with him.

Adding a 29 year old WR into that mix with a $28M+ contract just makes things worse, especially considering all the money they've already pushed out. Yes, yes, I know you can cook the cap... but they've just about cooked it as much as they currently can. That severely restricts a team's ability to keep its own players or sign FAs. As many have said, expect year 1 A.R (After Rodgers) to be a terrible one, and as it stands that would seem likely. Not a great situation, but I would point out that it's easier to 'rebuild' or 'restock' in the FA era than in the dark ages of the 70's and 80's, plus they have capable FO and coaching. They key is finding another franchise QB ASAP. It's more important to have a great QB than great WRs, although it certainly helps.

I'd also argue that signing an expensive WR isn't a good idea; for one thing it's possible to get most of that production for a fraction of the cost, especially with how productive many first and second year draft picks have been recently (Justin Jefferson, Jamarr Chase, et. al). For another, signing a WR to a 3rd contract is asking for trouble in terms of health and production. Adams will never play to the end of that contract; in fact, I bet he's either cut or that contract gets redone after 2 years.

For now GB has Cobb as the leader in the WR room, with Lazard knowing the drill and able to mentor as well. The rest of the WR group will need a big infusion of talent and they will do what they can to produce. They did this before in 2006 when they basically had Driver and a bunch of nobodies (Ferguson) and ended up starting a R2 pick named Jennings who did ok. MLF's offense will lean on Dillon/Jones and with Tonyan back along with what they have they'll manage ok. I don't think they'll be the highest scoring offense like in 2020; I think it will be a lot of close games and more like 2019 until they figure it out.

I don't really like many/any of the FA WRs out there. They're mostly blah to me. Overpriced, old, or damaged goods. (Julio Jones can't stay healthy and will cost a lot to sign.) I'd expect them to wait until late FA where they'll have more leverage to sign someone cheap. Can't really be a player in FA market when you're trying to stave off cap hell and keep a playoff window open.
Waiting for June 1 cuts is a possibility, and they could always trade for someone, but there's not much out there IMO. I wonder about Olave now since he seems among the most pro-ready as a WR and might be the closest thing to this year's version of Justin Jefferson. They should bring in two new non-UDFA WRs to bolster the room. Cobb can't stay healthy or perform at a high level for 17+ games, and they need a major talent infusion. Drafting some talent is a long overdue and necessary step.

[RashanGary]

The Packers almost have to take a WR with one of those first 4 picks. Second round receivers do really well.

There is a chance the draft can fall all wrong and there just is not a good wr when we pick or other positions are graded higher.

But we badly need more WR talent. What good is the 50 million dollar man if he has no one to throw to?

[MadScientist]

Pierce looks big, catches well and gets good releases, but Jordy had much better speed

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Rambling thoughts...



While it's occurred to me before, I've been somewhat hesitant to make the Jordy-Pierce comps because they are both big white WRs. There, I said it.
That out of the way, they do have some similarities in their game based on college highlights. If Pierce is as dedicated to working on his craft as Jordy was he'll be a good Day 2 pick. (I think it's unlikely he lasts past R3.) His production was a little weird and rarely seemed like a dominant receiver on the college level which is a bit of a concern but he's a decent prospect. I don't know them well enough (and I'm a layman) to tell if Pierce is a better prospect or has a higher ceiling than Nelson did.


Back to Adams: I'm with others who think you just can't pay a WR what amounts to QB money. It's not realistic to have the highest paid QB, LT, WR, etc. on your team.

As for that QB contract, every year Rodgers plays makes his walking away more expensive.

Retired Dead Cap:
2023: $40.3M
2024: $68.2M
2025: $76.8M

It's all projections and guessing, but from what I've seen on teh interwebz the 2025 cap is expected to be roughly around $275M, meaning whenever Rodgers is done he'll take somewhere around 25-30% of the cap with him.

Adding a 29 year old WR into that mix with a $28M+ contract just makes things worse, especially considering all the money they've already pushed out. Yes, yes, I know you can cook the cap... but they've just about cooked it as much as they currently can. That severely restricts a team's ability to keep its own players or sign FAs. As many have said, expect year 1 A.R (After Rodgers) to be a terrible one, and as it stands that would seem likely. Not a great situation, but I would point out that it's easier to 'rebuild' or 'restock' in the FA era than in the dark ages of the 70's and 80's, plus they have capable FO and coaching. They key is finding another franchise QB ASAP. It's more important to have a great QB than great WRs, although it certainly helps.

I'd also argue that signing an expensive WR isn't a good idea; for one thing it's possible to get most of that production for a fraction of the cost, especially with how productive many first and second year draft picks have been recently (Justin Jefferson, Jamarr Chase, et. al). For another, signing a WR to a 3rd contract is asking for trouble in terms of health and production. Adams will never play to the end of that contract; in fact, I bet he's either cut or that contract gets redone after 2 years.

For now GB has Cobb as the leader in the WR room, with Lazard knowing the drill and able to mentor as well. The rest of the WR group will need a big infusion of talent and they will do what they can to produce. They did this before in 2006 when they basically had Driver and a bunch of nobodies (Ferguson) and ended up starting a R2 pick named Jennings who did ok. MLF's offense will lean on Dillon/Jones and with Tonyan back along with what they have they'll manage ok. I don't think they'll be the highest scoring offense like in 2020; I think it will be a lot of close games and more like 2019 until they figure it out.

I don't really like many/any of the FA WRs out there. They're mostly blah to me. Overpriced, old, or damaged goods. (Julio Jones can't stay healthy and will cost a lot to sign.) I'd expect them to wait until late FA where they'll have more leverage to sign someone cheap. Can't really be a player in FA market when you're trying to stave off cap hell and keep a playoff window open.
Waiting for June 1 cuts is a possibility, and they could always trade for someone, but there's not much out there IMO. I wonder about Olave now since he seems among the most pro-ready as a WR and might be the closest thing to this year's version of Justin Jefferson. They should bring in two new non-UDFA WRs to bolster the room. Cobb can't stay healthy or perform at a high level for 17+ games, and they need a major talent infusion. Drafting some talent is a long overdue and necessary step.

what?

not even close


dead money goes down not up during a contract.

[red]

Pierce looks big, catches well and gets good releases, but Jordy had much better speed

jordy had nice playing speed

he only ran a 4.55 at the combine though. so he had very average measurable speed for a WR

[RashanGary]

Jordy Nelson had 122 catches and 1,600 yards in his senior season. It is hard to compare that to someone who has more like 60 and 900.

[red]

back to the subject

florio pointed out that davontes deal is actually only a 3 year deal worth 67.5 million

so not quite 5 years and 140 million. theres almost 72 million tied up in the last 2 years that he will never see

so its worth 22.5 million a year, not the 28 that a lot of talking heads are using as the new high number for WRs