Davante Adams traded?

[HarveyWallbangers]

jordy had nice playing speed

he only ran a 4.55 at the combine though. so he had very average measurable speed for a WR

He ran 4.51 at the combine, but his deep speed was better than that. I read something about 40 time variance. A guy who is 4.5 guy could actually run a 4.45 one time and a 4.55 the next time. Made sense. Younger Jordy never got caught from behind.

Pierce ran 4.41 at the combine.

[Joemailman]

I remember hearing people after the draft question Jordy's speed. Then I saw a tape of him burning Aqib Talib deep, and knew he was fast enough.

[Guiness]

The thing I don't like about looking for the next Jordy or Devante is that it took both of those guys a couple of years to develop into top tier WRs.
Jordy was under 400 yards season 1 and 2. Driver and Jennings were WR1 & 2 those years
Devante was a little better, just under 500 yards his first two, behind Nelson and Cobb.

Both broke out their 3rd season. Who's on the roster that could conceivably do that this year? Amari is the only one who remotely fits that mould. Scantling (if he were to resign) and Lazard are what they are.

[HarveyWallbangers]

The thing I don't like about looking for the next Jordy or Devante is that it took both of those guys a couple of years to develop into top tier WRs.
Jordy was under 400 yards season 1 and 2. Driver and Jennings were WR1 & 2 those years
Devante was a little better, just under 500 yards his first two, behind Nelson and Cobb.

Both broke out their 3rd season. Who's on the roster that could conceivably do that this year? Amari is the only one who remotely fits that mould. Scantling (if he were to resign) and Lazard are what they are.

Davante took longer, but I'm pretty sure Jordy would have been ready sooner. It's just that he played behind Jennings, Driver, and Jones. Jordy only had 6 starts his first 3 years in the league--through no fault of his own. Hard to break out, if you don't get the opportunity to break out.

[run pMc]

what?

not even close


dead money goes down not up during a contract.

I didn't make that up, it was pulled that from Ken Ingalls

https://twitter.com/KenIngalls/status/1503969028993429504

[QUOTE]@KenIngalls
Typically, the longer a NFL player plays on their contract the cheaper the dead cap would be if they retire.

This is not the case with Aaron Rodgers' new deal - every year he plays makes his walking away more expensive.

Retired Dead Cap:
2023: $40.3M
2024: $68.2M
2025: $76.8M
12:38 AM

[Joemailman]

[QUOTE=run pMc;1112892]I didn't make that up, it was pulled that from Ken Ingalls

https://twitter.com/KenIngalls/status/1503969028993429504

@KenIngalls
Typically, the longer a NFL player plays on their contract the cheaper the dead cap would be if they retire.

This is not the case with Aaron Rodgers' new deal - every year he plays makes his walking away more expensive.

Retired Dead Cap:
2023: $40.3M
2024: $68.2M
2025: $76.8M
12:38 AM

I think this is why Andrew Brandt thinks this is 1 year contract. But maybe it really is a 4 or 5 year contract. Seems to me Packers have to let Aaron Rodgers go after 2022 season, or keep him for the long term so he can finish his career in Green Bay. What they can't do is keep him for 2 or 3 years and then move hlm.

Derek Carr is in the last year of his contract with Raiders. Perhaps Rodgers will be a Packer for life, or the next QB of the Raiders.

[Guiness]

[QUOTE=Joemailman;1112893]

I didn't make that up, it was pulled that from Ken Ingalls

https://twitter.com/KenIngalls/status/1503969028993429504

I think this is why Andrew Brandt thinks this is 1 year contract. But maybe it really is a 4 or 5 year contract. Seems to me Packers have to let Aaron Rodgers go after 2022 season, or keep him for the long term so he can finish his career in Green Bay. What they can't do is keep him for 2 or 3 years and then move hlm.

Derek Carr is in the last year of his contract with Raiders. Perhaps Rodgers will be a Packer for life, or the next QB of the Raiders.

Rodgers showing up in LV and re-uniting with Devante with be a real 'Here's Johnny!' moment!

[RashanGary]

[QUOTE=run pMc;1112892]I didn't make that up, it was pulled that from Ken Ingalls

https://twitter.com/KenIngalls/status/1503969028993429504

@KenIngalls
Typically, the longer a NFL player plays on their contract the cheaper the dead cap would be if they retire.

This is not the case with Aaron Rodgers' new deal - every year he plays makes his walking away more expensive.

Retired Dead Cap:
2023: $40.3M
2024: $68.2M
2025: $76.8M
12:38 AM

I see three different views of the Rodgers contract. One from sport trac, one from over the cap and one from Ingalls. I do not know which one is accurate.

[bobblehead]

what?

not even close


dead money goes down not up during a contract.

That really depends on how its structured. If you continually convert a salary to bonus, the dead cap is going to get larger each year.

[King Friday]

[QUOTE=Joemailman;1112893]

I didn't make that up, it was pulled that from Ken Ingalls

https://twitter.com/KenIngalls/status/1503969028993429504

I think this is why Andrew Brandt thinks this is 1 year contract. But maybe it really is a 4 or 5 year contract. Seems to me Packers have to let Aaron Rodgers go after 2022 season, or keep him for the long term so he can finish his career in Green Bay. What they can't do is keep him for 2 or 3 years and then move hlm.

Derek Carr is in the last year of his contract with Raiders. Perhaps Rodgers will be a Packer for life, or the next QB of the Raiders.

If Rodgers and Adams wanted to be together on the Raiders, they could've done it this off season. I don't think Rodgers has any desire to move to the AFC where 10 of the best 12 NFL QBs are.

[bobblehead]

The more I look at things the more I love this move. I honestly never even considered the possibility the Packers could keep Rodgers and trade Adams. It doesn't "fix" the cap, but it makes it more manageable going forward. Yes we lost a great talent, but with an MVP QB you can run without great WR. We need to sign one draft one now, but with an extra 2 top picks that shouldn't be impossible. It also allowed us to bring back Campbell and Douglas both and keep a top notch defense at full strength. If Gutes was trying NOT to have this end result he got lucky.

[Jereamiah]

[QUOTE=King Friday;1112915]

If Rodgers and Adams wanted to be together on the Raiders, they could've done it this off season. I don't think Rodgers has any desire to move to the AFC where 10 of the best 12 NFL QBs are.

Consider this distinct possibility: Adams turned down the Packers bigger offer because he simply cannot stand Rodgers. He was done, probably didn't even want to be in the same room with the dude. Rodgers got everything he wanted, and it WAS "about the money," lol. In doing so, he alienated Adams and probably half the team. Just a thought. Anyway, I'd imagine that Rodgers plays for the Packers this year and next, retires, and collects his $150+ guaranteed million.

[Upnorth]

[QUOTE=RashanGary;1112899]

I didn't make that up, it was pulled that from Ken Ingalls

https://twitter.com/KenIngalls/status/1503969028993429504

I see three different views of the Rodgers contract. One from sport trac, one from over the cap and one from Ingalls. I do not know which one is accurate.

The one that benefits the packers the most... Right?

[call_me_ishmael]

The more I look at things the more I love this move. I honestly never even considered the possibility the Packers could keep Rodgers and trade Adams. It doesn't "fix" the cap, but it makes it more manageable going forward. Yes we lost a great talent, but with an MVP QB you can run without great WR. We need to sign one draft one now, but with an extra 2 top picks that shouldn't be impossible. It also allowed us to bring back Campbell and Douglas both and keep a top notch defense at full strength. If Gutes was trying NOT to have this end result he got lucky.

I agree. I guess I am more neutral on Douglas and am not sure he is a great fit but overall I <3 the comp they got in exchange for Adams and his fat contract. I really do believe he just wanted to do something different and get closer to the West coast. He is married to his colllege sweatheart who is also from Cali so I am not surprised they desire being closer to family. They've got money and kids, at this point choosing where you live and raise 'em would be very high on my list personally. For example, if I could choose to play for Team X or the Packers, I'd choose Packers and be willing to take less money because that is a priority to me. I totally get it and understand where he's coming from.

[Bretsky]

The Vikings traded Diggs and struck gold when they used that pick for Justin Jefferson

I hope GB is just as lucky