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  • #46
    Rodgers demanding perfection will speed up making it happen IMO.

    Did any of ya'all see the meme (I saw it in Facebook) of Brett Favre - "And then I went to the Vikings just to show them that even I couldn't get their sorry asses to the Super Bowl".
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    • #47
      Well, in all fairness, Favre threw that game away and kept them out of the 'Owl.

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      • #48
        Asking three rookies to make significant contributions in the passing game just seems pie in the sky.

        It defies probability that all three are gonna' stud it up their rookie seasons.

        Especially with his high holiness demanding perfection.

        Really need Rodgers to improve and put Cobb on the bench.

        It'd help if Winfree could make a big jump too.

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        • #49
          Who said three? One athletic freak with supposedly a great attitude and high football IQ as well as a maybe on one other one.
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          • #50
            Originally posted by George Cumby View Post
            Asking three rookies to make significant contributions in the passing game just seems pie in the sky.

            It defies probability that all three are gonna' stud it up their rookie seasons.

            Especially with his high holiness demanding perfection.

            Really need Rodgers to improve and put Cobb on the bench.

            It'd help if Winfree could make a big jump too.
            The more I think about it the more I don't want a 1000+ yrd rookie. I want a more evenly distributed passing game. I want one to look great, I want them all to be sure handed, but I think I might prefer a even passing attack that relies on jones and dillion to the tune of at least 400 each. Add in 600 from te and we only need 2400 from wr. You get 12 to spread the ball around with his accuracy and knowledge of how to avoid bad passing plays and every d will be confused.
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            • #51
              Originally posted by George Cumby View Post
              Asking three rookies to make significant contributions in the passing game just seems pie in the sky.

              It defies probability that all three are gonna' stud it up their rookie seasons.

              Especially with his high holiness demanding perfection.

              Really need Rodgers to improve and put Cobb on the bench.

              It'd help if Winfree could make a big jump too.
              Rodgers had a 140+ passer rating rating in 2021 when targeting Cobb. If healthy, Cobb needs to be utilized more, not less. In the games where he was targeted 4 or more times, he was very effective.

              If the Packers can get 1000 receiving yards combined out of the 3 rookies, that would be solid rookie production. Another 1700 from the veteran WR's (including Amari), 600 from TE's and 900 from RB's and you're over 4000.
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              • #52
                Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
                Rodgers had a 140+ passer rating rating in 2021 when targeting Cobb. If healthy, Cobb needs to be utilized more, not less. In the games where he was targeted 4 or more times, he was very effective.

                If the Packers can get 1000 receiving yards combined out of the 3 rookies, that would be solid rookie production. Another 1700 from the veteran WR's (including Amari), 600 from TE's and 900 from RB's and you're over 4000.
                Ok, so your facts and reason are very compelling, but what about my amateurish analysis based on a limited sample size that Cobb is too old, too slow and too injured?

                What about my FEELINGS?!

                I do like the 1000 yards out of three rookies. That seems super reasonable and attainable.

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                • #53
                  Having Cobb and Amari Rodgers on the roster scares me a bit; I"m not sure either of them are that nfl roster worthy. I hope Rodgers proves me wrong, and Cobb
                  But Cobb will make the team because Karen wants him on the squad and Rodgers will make the team since he's Gooters guy. Those two things I am sure of.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by George Cumby View Post
                    Well, in all fairness, Favre threw that game away and kept them out of the 'Owl.
                    Yea. Its the only reason I never totally disowned old Bert.
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Bretsky View Post
                      Having Cobb and Amari Rodgers on the roster scares me a bit; I"m not sure either of them are that nfl roster worthy. I hope Rodgers proves me wrong, and Cobb
                      But Cobb will make the team because Karen wants him on the squad and Rodgers will make the team since he's Gooters guy. Those two things I am sure of.
                      I'm not sold on it. You are likely correct, but I could see scenarios where either or neither is on the roster. Karen wants Cobb, but he wanted Adams as well. And having cobb is of limited damage since he won't be taking a roster spot after about week 5 when he is on the DL again.
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                      • #56
                        Overall roster construction is going to be very interesting - I think it will be a little different on the fringes because of special teams.
                        Cobb not being much of a ST contributor anymore is a minus for him, (I bet Doubs is the PR) but maybe Bisaccia finds a role for him and Amari. You have to get ST contributions from your receivers, so I'd think Watson and Doubs get cracks at KR and PR respectively. Toure might not make the cut -- it depends on Watkins and Amari. If either of them are lemons he could stick. As it is I have trouble seeing them keeping more than 6 on the roster, which is bad news for Winfree and Taylor. Cobb stays. Amari is on the bubble but I think Gute pushes hard for him to stay as a R3 pick last year, else they will ship in out in a trade for another player who is flaming out on some other team (i.e., the Josh Jackson special). Lazard and Watkins go into camp as the presumptive top WRs, and if Sammy has anything in the tank he'll stick.

                        You're probably looking at Lazard, Watkins, Cobb, Watson, Doubs, and Amari as your 6, with Toure and Winfree as your PS guys if they clear waivers.
                        I think Tonyan will be back, and maybe Davis/Deguara give them something but I don't expect them to become overnight sensations. Lewis is a slightly undersized OT you can catch, at this point. Dafney is a Deguara clone who might push him for snaps and can play ST, could easily be the odd man out. If Tonyan isn't ready for Week 1 I could see him stick. Davis/Deguara will continue to play ST... TE and LBs usually have the mix of size/speed the ST coaches like running down the field.

                        Hardly a murderer's row of receivers, and a far cry from the 2011 squad (Driver, Jennings, Nelson, Jones, rookie Cobb w/ Finley as a featured TE).

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                        • #57
                          Weve never seen Favre or Rodgers this thin at WR. I have no clue how this is going to go. But Favre helped Bill Shroeder get 1,000 yards for a few seasons. This could be like the 2000-2002 packers where Green lead the way and Favre made due with a Freeman aging not so gracefully and Shroeder.

                          It will be interesting to see it all come together.

                          The OL could go a few directions too.

                          With the QB and the RBs and hopefully a solid OL, they should be able to make a few things happen. Plus good defense and special teams. It will be a brand of football we havent seen in a while.
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                          • #58
                            We need a few luck bounces on the OL and I like the offenses chances.
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by RashanGary View Post
                              Weve never seen Favre or Rodgers this thin at WR. I have no clue how this is going to go. But Favre helped Bill Shroeder get 1,000 yards for a few seasons. This could be like the 2000-2002 packers where Green lead the way and Favre made due with a Freeman aging not so gracefully and Shroeder.

                              It will be interesting to see it all come together.

                              The OL could go a few directions too.

                              With the QB and the RBs and hopefully a solid OL, they should be able to make a few things happen. Plus good defense and special teams. It will be a brand of football we havent seen in a while.
                              The years where green was our keading reciever (at least for catches), did that correspond to oline issues? Or was it just receivers. For reference from 200 to 2003 green averaged 60.5 catches per year. He was targeted 78.75 per year over that span.

                              I kinda think our rb committee will be those numbers or higher.
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                              • #60
                                I'd argue that neither Favre nor Rodgers ever had as completely talented team around them as this. For the first time in basically forever, we actually could win games with our defense. That wasn't even the case in the Reggie White years. Even all the way back to Lombardi, the D just kept it close and the offense won it. I'm not a believer in the importance of the O Line with Rodgers at QB, but arguably we have more depth there and better run blocking than in a long time. All that, and the receivers are probably gonna be damn good too. Commentators are saying Watkins hasn't looked this good in years. and I'm firmly convinced that Watson is gonna be an all out superstar.
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