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  • #61
    Originally posted by texaspackerbacker View Post
    I'd argue that neither Favre nor Rodgers ever had as completely talented team around them as this. For the first time in basically forever, we actually could win games with our defense. That wasn't even the case in the Reggie White years. Even all the way back to Lombardi, the D just kept it close and the offense won it. I'm not a believer in the importance of the O Line with Rodgers at QB, but arguably we have more depth there and better run blocking than in a long time. All that, and the receivers are probably gonna be damn good too. Commentators are saying Watkins hasn't looked this good in years. and I'm firmly convinced that Watson is gonna be an all out superstar.
    In my wildest dreams I dont think our d will match 1996. Might be 1997 but that is still at worst top 5 in league, and we might be that. My fear is p smith regresses or we have an injury and have to swing quay outside.
    Oh and since this is a thread about wr I think this group is comparable to 1996 except instead of a kieth Jackson te being our best reciever it is jones and dillion.

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    • #62
      The Packers have a little bit of a an unforeseen outside chance at getting production from Malik Taylor and Juann Winfree.

      There was a puff piece by Tyler Dunne on Winfrey this off season. He was a 4 star recruit who had some bumps in the road in college but may have some talent above most undrafted players. One of Winfree or Taylor could surprise and beat out one of the drafted players or Cobb or Amari.
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      • #63
        I don't have much hope for Winfrey, but Malik Taylor is a physical freak, just a shade less size and speed than MVS along with possibly better ability to catch the ball. Just the same, both he and Winfrey are likely to be the odd men out among WRs. They seem to be hung up on giving Amari another chance to mess up again instead. I hope we could retain Taylor on the Practice Squad, but I kinda doubt that will happen. Somebody will sign him.
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        • #64
          Originally posted by RashanGary View Post
          The Packers have a little bit of a an unforeseen outside chance at getting production from Malik Taylor and Juann Winfree.

          There was a puff piece by Tyler Dunne on Winfrey this off season. He was a 4 star recruit who had some bumps in the road in college but may have some talent above most undrafted players. One of Winfree or Taylor could surprise and beat out one of the drafted players or Cobb or Amari.
          I think each of the WR we recognize has a really good shot at the roster with 1 or 2 being near locks for the practice squad. Of course Lazard/Watson are the lead pipe locks with Cobb/Watkins/Doubs next most likely to make final cut. That leaves Winfree/Taylor/Rogers/Toure fighting for a spot or 2 and practice squad. There could be a camp surprise who bumps one of those names off the PS as well. This is the most unsettled group on the roster probably followed by OLB.
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          • #65
            Originally posted by texaspackerbacker View Post
            I don't have much hope for Winfrey, but Malik Taylor is a physical freak, just a shade less size and speed than MVS along with possibly better ability to catch the ball. Just the same, both he and Winfrey are likely to be the odd men out among WRs. They seem to be hung up on giving Amari another chance to mess up again instead. I hope we could retain Taylor on the Practice Squad, but I kinda doubt that will happen. Somebody will sign him.
            All these guys are physical marvels. Taylor is over 2" shorter than MVS and a .09 slower in the 40 with smaller hands, etc. and he comes from a D2 school. He's a different kind of receiver than MVS. I think Winfree is probably ahead of Taylor but you never know what will happen. I do think he's enough of a prospect for some team (including GB) to stash him on a PS. He can play ST and maybe that's how he sticks but I don't think he's even a 500 yard receiver at this point. I suppose injuries could hit them and he sticks because of that.

            Amari gets a shot because they didn't give him many snaps on offense. I'm not sure he can run, but maybe a full offseason and dropping weight will help. He was very productive in college for what was a top program; that plus being a Day 2 pick last year counts for something. If he looks bad I could see them trying to trade him but I think he sticks. Not holding out a lot of hope but who knows - camp hasn't started. I think they should draft OL, CB and WR every draft - you'll always need them. With some WRs getting QB money contracts it makes sense.

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            • #66
              Just to change this up a bit, Watson was sometimes in the backfield for jet sweeps at ndsu.


              Could you imaging what having dillion and watson in the backfield with Jones out wide does to a secondary? Then put dillion in motion? Dude caught 91% of his passes last year.

              And Watson's fast change of direction and speed.... I'm freaking excited!
              All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.

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              • #67
                Never thought much of taylor's upside/talent overall. Winfree to me has always been intriguing.


                Our WR's won't scare many teams.
                TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                • #68
                  Packers have given a tryout to WR John Brown. Brown had 1000 yard seasons with Arizona in 2015 and Baltimore in 2019. He's always had blazing speed. Ran a 4.34 40. He's had injuries lately, so don't know how much speed, if any he's lost.
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                  With that lawless crowd
                  While the killers in high places
                  Say their prayers out loud
                  But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                  A thundercloud
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                  • #69
                    Hello there. I'm new and I just wanted to add my 2 cents worth. I think the receiving corps will be just fine. Rodgers makes everybody better. I have a feeling that Rodgers and Watkins will get that "chemistry" sooner than most people think. I also believe that with Adams gone, Lazard will want to make some kind of statement. Doubs may produce more than people think, Watson will be a problem for teams that have a less than stellar defense and Jones and Dillon out of the backfield is money in the bank. Not too sure about the tight end situation.. Will Tonyan return this season?
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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Bretsky View Post
                      Never thought much of taylor's upside/talent overall. Winfree to me has always been intriguing.


                      Our WR's won't scare many teams.
                      Bet youd like to go back to the days when Lazard and MVS were our 2nd and 3rd.

                      Lucky for us, there are 11 guys on offense and not just three receivers. Our QB, RB and probably OL are pretty good.

                      But still, were gonna need a hell of a defense and STs to win a SB with the receivers we have
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                      • #71
                        In fact, Lazard is maybe the second or third best WR now behind Watson and maybe Watkins. And Doebs is probably better than anybody we had below Lazard and MVS before. Replacing Davante's numbers may SEEM difficult, but they were inflated because of Rodgers. Rodgers will be throwing to somebody now, and I expect the end result to be as good or better than when Davante was there. The team was highly successful when Adams was out with injuries, and the receivers then were a helluva lot worse that what we have now. So R E L A X.
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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by RashanGary View Post
                          Bet youd like to go back to the days when Lazard and MVS were our 2nd and 3rd.

                          Lucky for us, there are 11 guys on offense and not just three receivers. Our QB, RB and probably OL are pretty good.

                          But still, were gonna need a hell of a defense and STs to win a SB with the receivers we have


                          Truth be told I'm not ALL Golden boy Gute like so many in here; he's been fine. Above average. But he still has some serious weaknesses as far as his people management skills and he left the cup bare when Devante was here, and then rather than signing him a full year ago he let this drag out and let a superstar leave when he should have locked him up long long ago.
                          TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Bretsky View Post
                            Truth be told I'm not ALL Golden boy Gute like so many in here; he's been fine. Above average. But he still has some serious weaknesses as far as his people management skills and he left the cup bare when Devante was here, and then rather than signing him a full year ago he let this drag out and let a superstar leave when he should have locked him up long long ago.
                            Im not sold on Gute either. Its hard to win a sb but I dont like the way he manages the cap and he never hits outside the top two rounds.

                            Receiver looks like its going to stub our toe in the playoffs. I dont like our chances with the guys we have. But we have a bunch of guys. One or two might step up. Im crossing my fingers. If we have a dominant running game the offense has a shot.
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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Arctic Fox View Post
                              Hello there. I'm new and I just wanted to add my 2 cents worth. I think the receiving corps will be just fine. Rodgers makes everybody better. I have a feeling that Rodgers and Watkins will get that "chemistry" sooner than most people think. I also believe that with Adams gone, Lazard will want to make some kind of statement. Doubs may produce more than people think, Watson will be a problem for teams that have a less than stellar defense and Jones and Dillon out of the backfield is money in the bank. Not too sure about the tight end situation.. Will Tonyan return this season?
                              Welcome aboard. I think we will see the same Sammy as always. Come week 4 we will all be giddy with the STEAL of a signing. Come week 6 we will all be trying to figure out who will pick up the slack for sammy as he sits on the sidelines for the rest of the season.
                              The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by RashanGary View Post
                                Im not sold on Gute either. Its hard to win a sb but I dont like the way he manages the cap and he never hits outside the top two rounds.

                                Receiver looks like its going to stub our toe in the playoffs. I dont like our chances with the guys we have. But we have a bunch of guys. One or two might step up. Im crossing my fingers. If we have a dominant running game the offense has a shot.
                                As you know I have come full circle on Gutes. He has one major flaw and that is selling out the cap instead of making the hard choice to tag and trade a guy like Adams....but he got bailed out anyway by adams refusing to put us further into cap hell.

                                He hasn't hit outside the top 2 YET. Slayton, Newman, Hill from last year have promise. Runyan and MVS contributed. His churning the bottom of the roster to find guys like douglas and Campbell more than makes up for it. Also he has made up for it by trading his 4ths to move up and improve talent. Right now Jordan Love is the HUGE black mark on his resume. That has yet to play out. I would rather hit studs in rounds 1 and 2 (while aquiriing extra 1s as we have) than hit solid in round 4 and 5. You can churn the vet minimums to get contribution similar to that, but you have to pay big time to make up for missing your firsts.
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