Receiving corps(e)

[Joemailman]

[George Cumby]

^ Hahahahahahahahahaha.

[run pMc]

I don't like Watson used that way. It seems like kinda a waste. What they need him for is to be a deep threat like Lazard just doesn't have the speed to be. Mostly, the motion is just used to show if it is man or zone coverage, and Deguara was enough for that.

You would not use Deguara for jet motion lol.

Jet motion is not standard motion. When has Deguara taken a handoff on a jet motion? I've seen him and Tonyan motion plenty to help reveal coverage or because of a line call, but that's very different.
Jet motion uses the threat of an end around (or a reverse) and you need speed or RAC ability for that, neither of which a TE has. Watson ran jets at NDSU, it's part of his highlights, he did it a bunch actually. It's fine to use him that way. They would've used MVS more that way except he didn't have the vision/instincts to do it. Watson does.

I think if you're going to run jets you vary like they have with both Watson and Doubs doing it. Doubs was a RB in high school so he has some of that ability, plus you don't always want the same player doing it. Watson should be mostly used in an X receiver role, not a gadget/jet role though. Similarly with Doubs IMO. Put them in jet maybe a couple of times in a game but that's it.

[Joemailman]

You would not use Deguara for jet motion lol.

Jet motion is not standard motion. When has Deguara taken a handoff on a jet motion? I've seen him and Tonyan motion plenty to help reveal coverage or because of a line call, but that's very different.
Jet motion uses the threat of an end around (or a reverse) and you need speed or RAC ability for that, neither of which a TE has. Watson ran jets at NDSU, it's part of his highlights, he did it a bunch actually. It's fine to use him that way. They would've used MVS more that way except he didn't have the vision/instincts to do it. Watson does.

I think if you're going to run jets you vary like they have with both Watson and Doubs doing it. Doubs was a RB in high school so he has some of that ability, plus you don't always want the same player doing it. Watson should be mostly used in an X receiver role, not a gadget/jet role though. Similarly with Doubs IMO. Put them in jet maybe a couple of times in a game but that's it.

I think they drafted Am Rod to run the jet sweep. Problem is he doesn't seem to have the speed to force teams to react to it. That's why they were using Watson last week. Deebo Samuel is the prototype.

[texaspackerbacker]

You would not use Deguara for jet motion lol.

Jet motion is not standard motion. When has Deguara taken a handoff on a jet motion? I've seen him and Tonyan motion plenty to help reveal coverage or because of a line call, but that's very different.
Jet motion uses the threat of an end around (or a reverse) and you need speed or RAC ability for that, neither of which a TE has. Watson ran jets at NDSU, it's part of his highlights, he did it a bunch actually. It's fine to use him that way. They would've used MVS more that way except he didn't have the vision/instincts to do it. Watson does.

I think if you're going to run jets you vary like they have with both Watson and Doubs doing it. Doubs was a RB in high school so he has some of that ability, plus you don't always want the same player doing it. Watson should be mostly used in an X receiver role, not a gadget/jet role though. Similarly with Doubs IMO. Put them in jet maybe a couple of times in a game but that's it.

Of course they're not gonna hand it to Deguara (but never say never) - just like Braelon Allen or Derrick Henry are "never" gonna pass from the wildcat or the Fridge ain't gonna run it or QBs split way out on wildcat plays are never gonna get passes thrown to them. But the D has to cover against the possibility just the same.

The only real difference between "jet motion" and "standard motion" is when they hand the guy the ball. It's probably a good idea to use Watson that way rarely - like MVS, like they did Watson in college (remember the films - they even used Watson on straight handoffs as an RB a few times in college). I just don't like having them waste Watson's talent by motion over and over and over, pretty much taking him away as a deep threat.

You're absolutely correct in your last line. Keep the other team guessing.

[Fritz]

[run pMc]

I think they drafted Am Rod to run the jet sweep. Problem is he doesn't seem to have the speed to force teams to react to it. That's why they were using Watson last week. Deebo Samuel is the prototype.

Agree. Amari has some RAC ability but doesn't have the speed or vision Deebo does.
Deebo's a tough dude but I think SF is going to shorten his career by running him as much as they do.

They could still use Amari in that role, although there's some debate over why you would give your WR6 snaps... every snap your WR6 plays means taking snaps away from someone ahead of him (i.e., better) on the depth chart.

[bobblehead]

Agree. Amari has some RAC ability but doesn't have the speed or vision Deebo does.
Deebo's a tough dude but I think SF is going to shorten his career by running him as much as they do.

They could still use Amari in that role, although there's some debate over why you would give your WR6 snaps... every snap your WR6 plays means taking snaps away from someone ahead of him (i.e., better) on the depth chart.

Sadly Amari and DeGuerra are not even close to Deebo and Juszyzyck. Fortunately Handsome Jimmy nor Trey are even close to Rodgers.

[George Cumby]

I thought they drafted Amari to be the new Cobb, but he just hasn't shown and unless something changes to the good this year, his days are limited in GB.

Deguara is a plodder who they drafted to be an H-back/full-back type. On the plays I've specifically watched him, I've only seen him really seal his guy off once, that was Sunday.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I will take poor mans Davante for Doubs and rich mans MVS for Watson.

[Fritz]

Any word on whether Watson is even available on Sunday?

I admit to being disappointed with Deguara. It seemed like a reach of a pick, but KYPack liked him, so I thought maybe they all knew something I clearly did not. But Deguara looks like a sixth-round pick kinda guy - a plodder who is just good enough to stay on the 53.

I have to admit Amari Rodgers had a nice return on Sunday (negated of course), and that he is heading north and south more quickly than last year. But the dude also fumbled one, and I'm not sure you use a roster spot on a guy who is ONLY a returner unless he's a fabulous returner. Which he is not.

If I were the Packer brass, I'd be thinking of asking Kylin Hill to practice catching punts once he can start practicing. And I'd also be asking Toure to do the same.

[run pMc]

Amari's gone next year unless he shows something between now and .. let's say next June. I think they know what they have with him, but he's locked in on a rookie contract and maybe there's still some upside.
(I don't think there is.)

Seems like a case of a good CFB WR who lacks the physical traits to be a good pro WR.
I mean, he's not terrible (ahem J'Mon), but he's a short receiver and not a burner; those guys usually don't excel. His lack of snaps on offense likely hasn't helped his development, but I'm not sure he's shown anything to justify giving him snaps either. Comparing recent R3 picks -- I'd say he's better than Jace but not as good as Burks or Deguara.

They'll probably draft someone to return punts next year. Kylin Hill was returning kickoffs, not sure he's done PR or would be good at it. PR and KR are different skills, but I'd keep that competition open.

[Bretsky]

I admit to being disappointed with Deguara. It seemed like a reach of a pick, but KYPack liked him, so I thought maybe they all knew something I clearly did not. But Deguara looks like a sixth-round pick kinda guy - a plodder who is just good enough to stay on the 53.

I'm not really disappointed in Deguara; he's just a hard nosed try hard guy with little to no upside. I never expected anything. He's a guy you cheer for after you pick him in the last rounds, and roll your eyes when you consider GB grabbed him in round 3.

[MadScientist]

Of course they're not gonna hand it to Deguara (but never say never) - just like Braelon Allen or Derrick Henry are "never" gonna pass from the wildcat or the Fridge ain't gonna run it or QBs split way out on wildcat plays are never gonna get passes thrown to them. But the D has to cover against the possibility just the same.

The only real difference between "jet motion" and "standard motion" is when they hand the guy the ball. It's probably a good idea to use Watson that way rarely - like MVS, like they did Watson in college (remember the films - they even used Watson on straight handoffs as an RB a few times in college). I just don't like having them waste Watson's talent by motion over and over and over, pretty much taking him away as a deep threat.

You're absolutely correct in your last line. Keep the other team guessing.

It's only a waste of Watson's talent if Rodgers throws the ball to him down field.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Deguara is playing pretty well this year. I think people expect too much of a late 3rd round pick. Here were the players drafted after Deguara in round 3 of that draft. Alex Highsmith is the only one who is clearly better. Trautman has probably had a similar career.

DEN McTelvin Agim - 12 tackles, 1.5 sacks in career
KC Lucas Niang - 9 career starts
CLE Jacob Phillips - 4 career starts
BAL Malik Harrison - 13 career starts (0 sacks, 0 interceptions, 0 forced fumbles, 1 pass deflection in career)
NYG Matt Peart - 6 career starts
LV Tanner Muse - cut after his rookie year
NE Dalton Keene - cut after his 2nd year
PIT Alex Highsmith - average NFL starter
PHI Davion Taylor - On practice squad
LAR Terrell Burgess - Backup (2 career starts)
TE Adam Trautman - blocking TE (has 1 reception this year)
BAL Tyre Phillips - cut after his 2nd year