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  • #16
    Originally posted by Anti-Polar Bear View Post
    #6 is the Italian guy Tex likes to hate. In Tex’s defense, #6 should not be anywhere in the rye, except when a wimpy kicker or punter is on the field. #6 is an abomination at safety.
    Leavitt doesn't sound Italian, but yes, I really didn't think they should keep him on the team. He did good as a gunner, but a good special teams coach should be able to train and motivate just about anybody with moderate speed and athleticism for that job without wasting a roster spot on somebody who can't do anything else.
    What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by texaspackerbacker View Post
      Leavitt doesn't sound Italian, but yes, I really didn't think they should keep him on the team. He did good as a gunner, but a good special teams coach should be able to train and motivate just about anybody with moderate speed and athleticism for that job without wasting a roster spot on somebody who can't do anything else.
      Matthew Slatar is entering his 16th season for NE, I think. Does nothing but run up and a down the field on special teams. Takes pride in his art and sets the to tone for everyone else. Sometimes it is not a bad idea to keep so-called special teams ace solely for special teams.

      Packers STs have been an abomination since they refused to bring back ace Jeff Janis.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Anti-Polar Bear View Post
        Matthew Slatar is entering his 16th season for NE, I think. Does nothing but run up and a down the field on special teams. Takes pride in his art and sets the to tone for everyone else. Sometimes it is not a bad idea to keep so-called special teams ace solely for special teams.

        Packers STs have been an abomination since they refused to bring back ace Jeff Janis.
        Steve Tasker of the '90's Bills was another who made a career of 'Teams.

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        • #19
          Janis, of course, was a WR - a very decent one IMO, even though a lot of people thought otherwise. Tasker, as I vaguely recall, was a WR who did a lot more than just run down as a gunner. Slatar is a name I'm not familiar with. It's a choice to make whether not to commit a roster spot for somebody like him as you describe him or Leavitt. If I was the one with that choice, I wouldn't keep somebody like that on the roster.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Bretsky View Post
            Boy I'm sure we didn't draft the next WR taken after Amari; he's right up the road from you Fritz
            Agreed Brestsky, I'd say Amon-Ra is a far better receiver than his older brother, though Equanimity didn't play too badly for da Bears on Sunday.
            "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

            KYPack

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Upnorth View Post
              Stud, Gary. Him and Preston are looking. Great so far.

              Not a stud or dud but was Clark being held a lot of was it just me.

              Dudish: Campbell. Maybe my expectations are too high this season
              2x I saw a bear OL piggy back riding Clark, so I think your perception was in fact reality.
              The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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              • #22
                Originally posted by RashanGary View Post
                #6 is a stud on special teams. That guy is unblockable and fierce. I said a couple times, “who the hell is #6” and eventually looked it up. Leavitt is a difference maker on STs
                Guys like him being kept over a better S prospect make a difference. For years that spot would have went to someone who was a better prospect on defense.
                The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by texaspackerbacker View Post
                  Leavitt doesn't sound Italian, but yes, I really didn't think they should keep him on the team. He did good as a gunner, but a good special teams coach should be able to train and motivate just about anybody with moderate speed and athleticism for that job without wasting a roster spot on somebody who can't do anything else.
                  That Was the McCarthy view as well. You would think he (and you) would have learned after a decade of failure that its wrong. But fat mike (and you) are not ones to admit when you are wrong.
                  The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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                  • #24
                    How many top teams do it the way you apparently like, and how many do it what you call McCarthy's (and my) way? I rest my case.
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                    • #25
                      So what are the numbers Tex?

                      You just state that you are the winner in the argument without presenting any analysis on how teams do or don't fill the last spot or spots with special teams aces.
                      But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.

                      -Tim Harmston

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by ThunderDan View Post
                        So what are the numbers Tex?

                        You just state that you are the winner in the argument without presenting any analysis on how teams do or don't fill the last spot or spots with special teams aces.
                        LOL

                        I'll give tex the benefit of the doubt that he won't insist you do the same research he could do himself, and then insult your research methods or just call media or statisticians idiots.

                        Off the top of my head, Matthew Slater sees basically no time playing WR for NE, but he's been a mainstay for them and actually voted to the Pro Bowl. SD did it with Kaseem Osgood for years. Rudy Ford was in that mold for the Jags until last year when he also got some D snaps. Leavitt and Nixon were like that for LV before Bisaccia recruited them to GB. I'd expect Harbaugh (BAL) and Campbell (DET) have players in these roles, given their backgrounds as ST coaches. It's not uncommon.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by texaspackerbacker View Post
                          How many top teams do it the way you apparently like, and how many do it what you call McCarthy's (and my) way? I rest my case.
                          You are clearly wrong, all the top teams do it my way. I rest my case.
                          The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by bobblehead View Post
                            You are clearly wrong, all the top teams do it my way. I rest my case.
                            All of the top teams ypu say, well that settles it.
                            All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.

                            George Orwell

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