Avenues to get better?

[bobblehead]

This team does not appear to do much well and seems to be built to run the football and hold steady on D.

Except win games. Over the last 44 games they have done that better than any team in the NFL. But other than that we don't do much well.

[bobblehead]

Sheeeesh, lose a game to a fairly week team (which is now 4-1) and the panicky fools really come out from under their rocks.

FFS you guys are making tex look rational. Think about that. Look in the mirror. Tex is the voice of reason...even he would admit that is scary.

[texaspackerbacker]

I didn't understand that quote, Fritz. What team? Or did the website mess up and the quote wasn't complete?

[texaspackerbacker]

Bobblehead, I think you're confused on what an RPO is. The run play is called. There is no determination whether it's gonna be a run or a pass until after the snap. That's different from LaFleur sending in two plays, and Rodgers calls one depending on what he sees pre-snap.

As I said - twice, I think, you can't throw it very far downfield on an RPO or you'll have linemen illegally downfield.

[run pMc]

FFS you guys are making tex look rational. Think about that. Look in the mirror. Tex is the voice of reason...even he would admit that is scary.

LOL tex is right that when passing out of an RPO it is generally a very short throw. Rodgers has a very low air yards/throw this year because of all the RPOs, as well as his poor accuracy on deep throws.

I think Fritz got his comment cut but the website. Darn quote marks.

[jklowan]

"Except win games. Over the last 44 games they have done that better than any team in the NFL. But other than that we don't do much well."

I'm not talking about past seasons I'm talking about this year. This team has yet to really beat anyone. We barely beat the Pats with a 3rd string QB, We barely beat a terrible Bear's team and the Bucs that had no receivers among many other starters out, not an impressive start by anyones measure. I'd even say that this team is playing closer to a bottom 5 team than a top 5 ymmv.

[Bretsky]

Except win games. Over the last 44 games they have done that better than any team in the NFL. But other than that we don't do much well.

Wait, do Super Bowl's not count ? )

[run pMc]

I think the issue is that this is supposed to be a softer part of the schedule, and they haven't looked very good. Who have they played?
The Vikings are an actual team, but then it was
the Justin Fields Experiment - where the run D got gashed,
squeaking past Tampa - where Brady was behind a bad OL with nobody to throw to
and NE with a 3rd string QB and a 6 man OL destroying the run D in the 2nd half.
and NYG in London where Daniel freaking Jones looked more like Rodgers than Rodgers and led a 15 play, 91 yard drive without Saquon on the field.

Rodgers only plays one good half per game
MLF abandons the run
the run D takes every other week off
the pass D can't cover crossers or communicate with each other
Coached can't make in-game adjustments when their game plan isn't working. (something something always have a plan B)

Normally the NYJ game would be one where people would be expecting a double digit win but now it's looking like they are all going to be struggles until they can solve their issues. I don't think it's talent -- the starting defense is mostly Day 1/Day 2 picks... these aren't scrubs. It's coaching and execution that are lacking, and I hope they come out and start playing as pissed off as their fans are. Until then they're Paper Tigers

[Joemailman]

Packers defense is last in the NFL with 7 passes defensed. Next worst is Pats and Bears with 14. Not surprisingly, Packers have just 1 INT. Hard to get INT's when you're not making any plays on the ball.

[Fritz]

Yes, that quote got cut off. The essence of the quote is that in the MLF era, the Packers struggle with bouncing back from adversity in games. The implication I think is that they lack some mental toughness.

But it is a long season. Things will change. They always do. We just don't know how.

I am glad to see Kylin Hill come back. He's a good back and can return kicks. The less we see Amari "Doh!" Rodgers on the field, the better. And Christian Watson's hurt - again, or still? - so he might not be able to return kicks. I am sure Hill won't be activated right away, but I'm hoping in a couple of weeks he'll be back.

[Joemailman]

Yes, that quote got cut off. The essence of the quote is that in the MLF era, the Packers struggle with bouncing back from adversity in games. The implication I think is that they lack some mental toughness.

But it is a long season. Things will change. They always do. We just don't know how.

I am glad to see Kylin Hill come back. He's a good back and can return kicks. The less we see Amari "Doh!" Rodgers on the field, the better. And Christian Watson's hurt - again, or still? - so he might not be able to return kicks. I am sure Hill won't be activated right away, but I'm hoping in a couple of weeks he'll be back.

The good news, at least for this week, is that they always bounce back from a regular season loss. After all the talk about not utilizing Jones and Dillon last week, that will change. Hopefully we'll see a defense that looks a lot more aggressive.

[bobblehead]

Bobblehead, I think you're confused on what an RPO is. The run play is called. There is no determination whether it's gonna be a run or a pass until after the snap. That's different from LaFleur sending in two plays, and Rodgers calls one depending on what he sees pre-snap.

As I said - twice, I think, you can't throw it very far downfield on an RPO or you'll have linemen illegally downfield.

I admit that there was no RPO when I played so I'm not as versed as I am in say ZBS. And in the case of very quick short passes I think you are probably right that sometimes that isn't decided until after the snap. However I have read up a bit and many of the plays are opted out of at the line. Those plays would allow a longer pass. And I'm not even claiming that Rodgers is fucking everything up. I was merely pointing out that hammering LaFleur for not calling enough running plays isn't he entire equation. I don't even mind the shots downfield to be honest. You put that stuff on tape. Teams have to account for it.

[bobblehead]

"Except win games. Over the last 44 games they have done that better than any team in the NFL. But other than that we don't do much well."

I'm not talking about past seasons I'm talking about this year. This team has yet to really beat anyone. We barely beat the Pats with a 3rd string QB, We barely beat a terrible Bear's team and the Bucs that had no receivers among many other starters out, not an impressive start by anyones measure. I'd even say that this team is playing closer to a bottom 5 team than a top 5 ymmv.

And I'm saying we are 3-2 and in need of improvement in several aspects. We are 5 games into a season with 2 rookie WR playing major snaps. We run the ball exceptionally well. We have a HoF QB that has a track record of improving as he gets comfortable with his weapons. We have the core of a team that won 13 games last year and ST is not a dumpster fire.

So, through 5 games what we "do well" is play really good football in the first 2 quarters. I have confidence that they put it together. I'll panic when we need help to get into the playoffs.

[bobblehead]

Wait, do Super Bowl's not count ? )

By that definition 31 teams in the NFL suck every year.

[bobblehead]

Packers defense is last in the NFL with 7 passes defensed. Next worst is Pats and Bears with 14. Not surprisingly, Packers have just 1 INT. Hard to get INT's when you're not making any plays on the ball.

But I thought everyone is running all over us so they just don't bother to pass? Isn't that the case??