Official 2023 NFL Draft Thread

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am i the only one that thinks his last MVP was just kinda handed to him?

he had a somewhat down year, and there were a handful of other guys that had better seasons

i was a bit surprised when people started talking about him being the front runner and then winning it. its like the voters said, well i can't decide who else to give it too, so lets just give it to rodgers again

i'm not saying that he had a bad year at all, just that others had better years

[Bretsky]

am i the only one that thinks his last MVP was just kinda handed to him?

he had a somewhat down year, and there were a handful of other guys that had better seasons

i was a bit surprised when people started talking about him being the front runner and then winning it. its like the voters said, well i can't decide who else to give it too, so lets just give it to rodgers again

i'm not saying that he had a bad year at all, just that others had better years

He gave us some fun times to watch those two years; I was fine with both.

But it's borderline stupid to name the MVP "before" the completion of the playoffs.

[RashanGary]

am i the only one that thinks his last MVP was just kinda handed to him?

he had a somewhat down year, and there were a handful of other guys that had better seasons

i was a bit surprised when people started talking about him being the front runner and then winning it. its like the voters said, well i can't decide who else to give it too, so lets just give it to rodgers again

i'm not saying that he had a bad year at all, just that others had better years

I thought Brady should have gotten it.

[Bretsky]

Misguided opinions are one thing. Evil wants are something else entirely.

What are the big dates for ya'all? March 15? June 1? any others to be aware of? I'm thoroughly expecting these to come and go without anything significant happening on the Rodgers front. We'll see, I guess, whether I'm disappointed and he's gone one way or the other, OR we have another 13 or 14 win season with Rodgers, and the lowdown ya'all crowd are disappointed.

I doin't care about the 13 wins anymore. If he's back I'lll measure him by his performance, or lack of it, in his playoff performance

[Fritz]

Misguided opinions are one thing. Evil wants are something else entirely.

What are the big dates for ya'all? March 15? June 1? any others to be aware of? I'm thoroughly expecting these to come and go without anything significant happening on the Rodgers front. We'll see, I guess, whether I'm disappointed and he's gone one way or the other, OR we have another 13 or 14 win season with Rodgers, and the lowdown ya'all crowd are disappointed.

Although I am a diehard Packer fan, I want nothing more than for Aaron Rodgers to be traded and for Jordan Love to take over and be a FAILURE!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[run pMc]

I think with supporting talent around him Jordan Love has a chance to be good. Maybe not great, but good. He's improved each time he's played, and if MLF is anywhere near as good with QBs as Shanahan is they should be able to get decent QB play from him.
They need to add a couple more playmakers on offense though. Aaron Jones is back which is nice, and Watson is a threat but they don't have anyone else really, and I think they need at least one more if not two.
(Doubs is a nice player, but I'm not sure I'd call him a playmaker.)
They especially need to figure out their RZ issues...that might be where a TE could help them.

[RashanGary]

I think with supporting talent around him Jordan Love has a chance to be good. Maybe not great, but good. He's improved each time he's played, and if MLF is anywhere near as good with QBs as Shanahan is they should be able to get decent QB play from him.
They need to add a couple more playmakers on offense though. Aaron Jones is back which is nice, and Watson is a threat but they don't have anyone else really, and I think they need at least one more if not two.
(Doubs is a nice player, but I'm not sure I'd call him a playmaker.)
They especially need to figure out their RZ issues...that might be where a TE could help them.

TEs in the red zone sounds like a reasonable cliche, but it’s been so long since I’ve seen it in Green Bay, I don’t know if it’s a thing?

[run pMc]

Starting to fall off the Dalton Kincaid bandwagon, back injuries worry me.
I think I'm jumping on the Darnell Washington bandwagon. Floor is a 6th OL level blocking TE, Ceiling is he could be that and a guy who posts up 5-11 safeties in the RZ.

Mayer is fine, but not sure how dynamic he is. Agree with many that he seems like a Jason Witten clone, which is fine.

Seen people gush about Luke Musgrave, he feels like a project to me. Could turn into Travis Kelce or he could be Tyler Eifert.

Starting to feel like there's value in bringing back either Big Dog or Tonyan. My preference would actually be Big Dog to help teach draft picks about blocking and being a pro. I think they could get a guy like Sam LaPorta to replace Tonyan and be ok.
I am hoping they take 2 TEs in this draft, one in first 3 round and one late. They have all those R7 picks, could see them take a project (or just a big blocking TE) late. They need someone who can play inline (the Y) and block, and a pass catcher (F/H/wide), if that requires two players they'll go that route.

[run pMc]

TEs in the red zone sounds like a reasonable cliche, but it’s been so long since I’ve seen it in Green Bay, I don’t know if it’s a thing?

They tried it with Jimmy Graham; didn't work out that well.
Was Finley the last TE who was good in the RZ? Don't recall if Tonyan had a lot of RZ TDs in his one big year?

Last year really sucked watching them drive down the field to inside the 5 and then hand off out of shotgun to Dillon for no gain, or for Rodgers to rollout and miss Lazard. 7 minute drives and 3 points... and then Joe Barry has to hold serve.

[Jaire]

I agree, run pMc. Good year to get a tight end and not overpay. I am with you on Washington and LaPorta as well. There's other later picks too.

I like the round three receivers better than round one and two as well except JSN

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They tried it with Jimmy Graham; didn't work out that well.
Was Finley the last TE who was good in the RZ? Don't recall if Tonyan had a lot of RZ TDs in his one big year?

Last year really sucked watching them drive down the field to inside the 5 and then hand off out of shotgun to Dillon for no gain, or for Rodgers to rollout and miss Lazard. 7 minute drives and 3 points... and then Joe Barry has to hold serve.

i want to say that almost all of tonyans catches in his one decent year were for TDs

[Fosco33]

As usual, the truth is somewhere between yours and Bretskys takes. Worse than Favre? That is ridiculous. Better leader? Also a hard no.

Possibly.

I’m talking about his on field leadership.

He’s wore a fricken wristband. Dealt w/ losing his best player.

He was right on Mercedes and Cobb.

He hasn’t had the ‘disgusted’ looks he had on the field for so many years.

And he’s stood up for his own principles.

And for the zillionth time - he’s been super consistent with his statements and actions.

Could he have signed a team friendly deal? Sure.
Could he do more to help Love in the system or attended optional team activities. Sure

But a guy that knows his body and hit pitch clock - not sure it’s needed.
And for the most part - despite injuries - he made the right throws. Dealt w/ drops and didn’t bitch in game. Even said he had to play better.

To each opinion is own - but I think AR is the shit.

[sharpe1027]

And for the most part - despite injuries - he made the right throws. Dealt w/ drops and didn’t bitch in game. Even said he had to play better.

To each opinion is own - but I think AR is the shit.

I don't know how good a leader Rodgers is, but he's been a ridiculously good quarterback over his career.
That being said, the quoted part above doesn't sit right with me. His decision making was bang on average last year, and I'm being generous.

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Possibly.

I’m talking about his on field leadership.

He’s wore a fricken wristband. Dealt w/ losing his best player.

He was right on Mercedes and Cobb.

He hasn’t had the ‘disgusted’ looks he had on the field for so many years.

And he’s stood up for his own principles.

And for the zillionth time - he’s been super consistent with his statements and actions.

Could he have signed a team friendly deal? Sure.
Could he do more to help Love in the system or attended optional team activities. Sure

But a guy that knows his body and hit pitch clock - not sure it’s needed.
And for the most part - despite injuries - he made the right throws. Dealt w/ drops and didn’t bitch in game. Even said he had to play better.

To each opinion is own - but I think AR is the shit.

wow, you are living in lala land

are you sure you weren't watching replays from a couple years ago?

i'm not even gonna waste time going through your list, you have your head too far up his ass to see any truth that you don't want to see

[HarveyWallbangers]

Starting to fall off the Dalton Kincaid bandwagon, back injuries worry me.
I think I'm jumping on the Darnell Washington bandwagon. Floor is a 6th OL level blocking TE, Ceiling is he could be that and a guy who posts up 5-11 safeties in the RZ.

Mayer is fine, but not sure how dynamic he is. Agree with many that he seems like a Jason Witten clone, which is fine.

Seen people gush about Luke Musgrave, he feels like a project to me. Could turn into Travis Kelce or he could be Tyler Eifert.

Starting to feel like there's value in bringing back either Big Dog or Tonyan. My preference would actually be Big Dog to help teach draft picks about blocking and being a pro. I think they could get a guy like Sam LaPorta to replace Tonyan and be ok.
I am hoping they take 2 TEs in this draft, one in first 3 round and one late. They have all those R7 picks, could see them take a project (or just a big blocking TE) late. They need someone who can play inline (the Y) and block, and a pass catcher (F/H/wide), if that requires two players they'll go that route.

Kincaid could be a great receiving TE. If his medicals check out, I'll probably have him #1. He may be the worst inline blocker in the draftable TE class this year, but he actually blocks well on the move. Musgrave is intriguing. His receiving potential is second to Kincaid, but he's actually a decent blocker. Mayer is solid, but I'd want somebody more dynamic at #15. Washington scares me a bit. There's no doubt he's a great blocker and his measurables are good, but he doesn't look very natural running or as a receiver. LaPorta and Kraft are also very good prospects. Schoonmaker and Whyle are underrated. Kuntz and Higgins (as a convert from WR) are also intriguing. This is a good TE class, but they all have some question marks.

My rankings at the moment:

Rk Rd Player
1 1-2 Dalton Kincaid
2 1-2 Luke Musgrave
3 1-2 Michael Mayer
4 2 Darnell Washington
5 2-3 Sam LaPorta
6 2-3 Tucker Kraft
7 3-4 Luke Schoonmaker
8 3-4 Josh Whyle
9 4-5 Zack Kuntz
10 4-5 Elijah Higgins