Official 2023 NFL Draft Thread

[Bretsky]

wow, you are living in lala land

are you sure you weren't watching replays from a couple years ago?

i'm not even gonna waste time going through your list, you have your head too far up his ass to see any truth that you don't want to see

I love Fosco the poster but I"d have to agree and I don't even know where to start. I wish I had the ability to close my eyes and not notice things but I can't do it. ''

I'd say this; AROD used to be a great leader. He lost his way and most who paid attention noticed his horrrible mannerisms in games the first half of the season, his comments, and how he's turned into such a Karen is so many ways I don't even know where to start

[texaspackerbacker]

It's just shameful the way some of ya'all swallow the SHIT spewing from the fake news assholes like its gospel.

[sharpe1027]

I just think about peanuts cartoon adults when I see a post from Tex. I know the gist of what's being said but it's still meaningless gibberish.

[Fosco33]

I realize how weird and somewhat rare that I agree with Tex. On that alone I should admit I’m wrong.

But it’s just football and speculation for clicks. And the media loves to hate on anything.

I predict if AR comes back w/ more experience under the WRs, maybe a new vet WR, avoiding injuries, there’s no reason to say he can’t play pretty well or even very good. It’s less likely than say 3-5 years ago - but recall before the MVP years, he wasn’t playing well and many (including me) were fine to send him along for a boatload of draft picks.

[run pMc]

I just think about peanuts cartoon adults when I see a post from Tex. I know the gist of what's being said but it's still meaningless gibberish.

Would be helpful if he actually posted a link to whatever he's criticizing. Otherwise it's just vague to the level of being meaningless gibberish.

[texaspackerbacker]

What link? Just look at most of the pathetic posts from the ya'all crowd THAT's what I'm criticizing. Or if you're referring to the media shit, I just assumed that ya'all gobble down every word they print. Sadly, even I read their crap - I just down't automatically believe it. A lot of it gets linked by others in here anyway.

[bobblehead]

I realize how weird and somewhat rare that I agree with Tex. On that alone I should admit I’m wrong.

But it’s just football and speculation for clicks. And the media loves to hate on anything.

I predict if AR comes back w/ more experience under the WRs, maybe a new vet WR, avoiding injuries, there’s no reason to say he can’t play pretty well or even very good. It’s less likely than say 3-5 years ago - but recall before the MVP years, he wasn’t playing well and many (including me) were fine to send him along for a boatload of draft picks.

I'll agree and disagree. COULD AR come back and be near MVP again? Sure. But he won't for a few reasons. Mentally he is checked out. He needs a chip on his shoulder and sticking in GB won't put it there. He needs an insane offseason of workouts at his age. He isn't interested in that. He needs to be vested in the teams success. That isn't the case. He is already a first ballot HoF.

Last seasons turmoil and the thumb were to blame for his god awful year....but even if things went smooth, he just wasn't into it. His demeanor was that of a guy who checked out. He is playing football because he doesn't really know anything else at this point, but I honestly believe he is looking for whats next. Just like when fat Mike had a kid and checked out as a coach, Rodgers head isn't in the game the way it needs to be to win an Owl. Hopefully Love's is.

[run pMc]

What link? Just look at most of the pathetic posts from the ya'all crowd THAT's what I'm criticizing. Or if you're referring to the media shit, I just assumed that ya'all gobble down every word they print. Sadly, even I read their crap - I just down't automatically believe it. A lot of it gets linked by others in here anyway.

I'm trying to understand who or what exactly is so pathetic, or what media pukes you are referring to? You never mention them. Websites like PFF and SIS actually have people who watch and chart every play, and have All-22 film. Do you do that? Newspapers like Journal-Sentinel have actual journalistic standards and fact-check. Do you? It's hard to have an intelligent conversation or a debate with someone who only speaks angrily in general vague terms. If there's something in the media you disagree with, post a link and say why.

If you disagree with posts here, say why and provide some factual basis to back up your point. Otherwise you're just providing opinions and those are understood as such. An opinion isn't fact.
I can't recall many things you've been correct about, tbh. To wit,
- Watson did not outperform Adams this year.
- Adams did not have a bad year for LV.
- Bakhtiari has been and still is a good LT by metrics gathered by people who do that work as full time professionals.
- Myers was a league average player.
- Rodgers was not elite last year, and his legs are going on him, as demonstrated by his decreasing rushing numbers and diminishing accuracy.

I'm fine if you have an opinion - we all do. If you're going to call people all kinds of things for their opinions while doubling down on your own, you better come back with something to back it up.
As it is, most of your takes are pure opinions stated without any facts to back them up, and yet when others disagree you call them pathetic. it makes you sound like you're yelling at clouds and need a nap.

[Bretsky]

I'll agree and disagree. COULD AR come back and be near MVP again? Sure. But he won't for a few reasons. Mentally he is checked out. He needs a chip on his shoulder and sticking in GB won't put it there. He needs an insane offseason of workouts at his age. He isn't interested in that. He needs to be vested in the teams success. That isn't the case. He is already a first ballot HoF.

Last seasons turmoil and the thumb were to blame for his god awful year....but even if things went smooth, he just wasn't into it. His demeanor was that of a guy who checked out. He is playing football because he doesn't really know anything else at this point, but I honestly believe he is looking for whats next. Just like when fat Mike had a kid and checked out as a coach, Rodgers head isn't in the game the way it needs to be to win an Owl. Hopefully Love's is.

[red]

I'll agree and disagree. COULD AR come back and be near MVP again? Sure. But he won't for a few reasons. Mentally he is checked out. He needs a chip on his shoulder and sticking in GB won't put it there. He needs an insane offseason of workouts at his age. He isn't interested in that. He needs to be vested in the teams success. That isn't the case. He is already a first ballot HoF.

Last seasons turmoil and the thumb were to blame for his god awful year....but even if things went smooth, he just wasn't into it. His demeanor was that of a guy who checked out. He is playing football because he doesn't really know anything else at this point, but I honestly believe he is looking for whats next. Just like when fat Mike had a kid and checked out as a coach, Rodgers head isn't in the game the way it needs to be to win an Owl. Hopefully Love's is.

i can see him playing at a high level again. it just won't happen if he's a packer

exactly like you said, he needs to feel like people are doubting him or disrespecting him

he's already proven that he doesn't give a shit anymore in green and gold

but if he goes to the jets, well, now he gets to prove the packers wrong, he gets to prove all the media wrong who thinks he was checked out last year. he gets to live in his special place where its him against everyone

he might even show up for offseason work and engage with his team mates (and not just his inner circle)

he might have a career season. but it won't happen if hes a packer

[Fosco33]

Brady started skipping Ota’s in 2018. He’s a huge diva - always yelling and looking pissed. Breaking tablets. Retiring and unretiring. Where’s the vitriol against Brady??

The league didn’t have them in 20 because of the pandemic and Arod won the mvp.

Some here want Lamar. He skipped last years too.

I think many here have unrealistic and slanted views against AR.

https://www.usnews.com/news/sports/articles/2022-06-01/brady-rodgers-headline-list-of-nfl-players-skipping-otas

[KYPack]

I'm trying to understand who or what exactly is so pathetic, or what media pukes you are referring to? You never mention them. Websites like PFF and SIS actually have people who watch and chart every play, and have All-22 film. Do you do that? Newspapers like Journal-Sentinel have actual journalistic standards and fact-check. Do you? It's hard to have an intelligent conversation or a debate with someone who only speaks angrily in general vague terms. If there's something in the media you disagree with, post a link and say why.

If you disagree with posts here, say why and provide some factual basis to back up your point. Otherwise you're just providing opinions and those are understood as such. An opinion isn't fact.
I can't recall many things you've been correct about, tbh. To wit,
- Watson did not outperform Adams this year.
- Adams did not have a bad year for LV.
- Bakhtiari has been and still is a good LT by metrics gathered by people who do that work as full time professionals.
- Myers was a league average player.
- Rodgers was not elite last year, and his legs are going on him, as demonstrated by his decreasing rushing numbers and diminishing accuracy.

I'm fine if you have an opinion - we all do. If you're going to call people all kinds of things for their opinions while doubling down on your own, you better come back with something to back it up.
As it is, most of your takes are pure opinions stated without any facts to back them up, and yet when others disagree you call them pathetic. it makes you sound like you're yelling at clouds and need a nap.

This is an excellent post. It should be chiseled in granite and Tex be made to eat it. There they are Tex, al the shit you've been dead wrong about. Posters that don't agree with you are not shitheads or whatever goofy names you choose to call them, they just have a different opinions.

The Pack is in change and are making a big transition. Rodgers ain't gonna be our QB for the next 5 years, he might be gone in 5 days.

When it happens, don't come on here and scream at the clouds. Look around your crib, find a clean shirt and head down to the border for a couple days.

Great post, Run.

[texaspackerbacker]

I'll agree and disagree. COULD AR come back and be near MVP again? Sure. But he won't for a few reasons. Mentally he is checked out. He needs a chip on his shoulder and sticking in GB won't put it there. He needs an insane offseason of workouts at his age. He isn't interested in that. He needs to be vested in the teams success. That isn't the case. He is already a first ballot HoF.

Last seasons turmoil and the thumb were to blame for his god awful year....but even if things went smooth, he just wasn't into it. His demeanor was that of a guy who checked out. He is playing football because he doesn't really know anything else at this point, but I honestly believe he is looking for whats next. Just like when fat Mike had a kid and checked out as a coach, Rodgers head isn't in the game the way it needs to be to win an Owl. Hopefully Love's is.

hahahahaha You know this how? You know what they say about making assumptions.

[Bretsky]

Brady started skipping Ota’s in 2018. He’s a huge diva - always yelling and looking pissed. Breaking tablets. Retiring and unretiring. Where’s the vitriol against Brady??

The league didn’t have them in 20 because of the pandemic and Arod won the mvp.

Some here want Lamar. He skipped last years too.

I think many here have unrealistic and slanted views against AR.

https://www.usnews.com/news/sports/a...-skipping-otas

Probably right; cause he's turned into a dickbag. And plent of people mocked Brady; at least those who gave a shit about him.

Rodgers created a lot of shit, got 120 percent of what he wanted, which included a contract that was only fabulous for him. And then he let us and the organization down by with his lack of offseaon workouts, by not attending things in the offseason, by not connecting with his WR'snd making the extra efforts, by his shiitface mannerisms in games last year, calling them out in the media, and calling out his head coach and GM in the media.

And her comes round two

Gute realized it was a mistaken to enable Karen and give up so much power, the one sides constructed contract, and doesn't want him to be the assistant GM anymore.

At the end of last year, well with two weeks left in the season, he's already opening up the box again about taking some time to decide if he wants to play next year after the season, and seeing if GB really wants him back. He's not getting his balls massaged this year.

Gute says he wants AROD back in but only if he's all in again. And he's not.

[texaspackerbacker]

I'm trying to understand who or what exactly is so pathetic, or what media pukes you are referring to? You never mention them. Websites like PFF and SIS actually have people who watch and chart every play, and have All-22 film. Do you do that? Newspapers like Journal-Sentinel have actual journalistic standards and fact-check. Do you? It's hard to have an intelligent conversation or a debate with someone who only speaks angrily in general vague terms. If there's something in the media you disagree with, post a link and say why.

If you disagree with posts here, say why and provide some factual basis to back up your point. Otherwise you're just providing opinions and those are understood as such. An opinion isn't fact.
I can't recall many things you've been correct about, tbh. To wit,
- Watson did not outperform Adams this year.
- Adams did not have a bad year for LV.
- Bakhtiari has been and still is a good LT by metrics gathered by people who do that work as full time professionals.
- Myers was a league average player.
- Rodgers was not elite last year, and his legs are going on him, as demonstrated by his decreasing rushing numbers and diminishing accuracy.

I'm fine if you have an opinion - we all do. If you're going to call people all kinds of things for their opinions while doubling down on your own, you better come back with something to back it up.
As it is, most of your takes are pure opinions stated without any facts to back them up, and yet when others disagree you call them pathetic. it makes you sound like you're yelling at clouds and need a nap.

You sound like some teachers etc. I used to have that wanted "sources" hahahahaha. I don't put much stock in sources. I have Google Chrome as my internet provider. A bunch of "news" keeps showing up on my screen right next to the temperature and weather forecast. I tend to click on the damn clickbait - all the stupid articles about Rodgers, the Jets getting him, and whatever other ignorant shit on the topic shows up. I'm not much for looking at bylines - which media puke is spewing the shit. I just assumed the "ya'all crowd" in here are reading the same bullshit articles - and swallowing the garbage like gospel. I read it with admittedly a bit of a jaded outlook hahahaha, and whenever possible, I reply there too - often less nicey nice than here. I occasionally see anti-Rodgers shit in Facebook too from a couple of these Badger or Wisconsin whatever sites. There are dumbasses there too, as well as probably a bigger percentage of people making sense than in here. Opinions are what forums are for. If you want sources or stats or whatever, go to somebody that gets paid. I'm in it for fun.

Regarding your little list: I'd still say Adams had a pretty bad year. His team stunk, and well into the season, he wasn't doing much either in terms of catches or targets. He did finish strong, I guess, but his team was down the drain by then. Watson didn't quite outplay Adams. A large part of it was injuries, both his own and Rodgers, but I should have known rookie inexperience would limit him to some extent. As for Bakhtiari, I know what I see, and I stand by what I've said about him (including that the fact that Rodgers likes him probably has a lot to do with Bakhtiari staying as a Packer). What are you saying about Meyers? That I said he's "a league average player"? Or that you're saying he isn't? Or what? My opinion of him, I say again, is that he's damn good and gonna get better yet, well above average as league Centers go. And Rodgers? Did I say he was "elite" in his performance last season? I probably did predict that before the season - hopefully with the caveat of not getting injured, which he did. His legs going? Sure, that's to be expected in his upper thirties, but to a greater degree than just what would be expected? Hell no. Are you seriously saying that? He ran as needed last season and actually seemed to be showing off at times to silence critics who thought he was deteriorating. The accuracy I would attribute to the thumb injury, and even with that, I'd say his accuracy was better than a lot of QBs around the league. You seriously think otherwise?

As for calling people pathetic, their words betray them. Anybody thinking all this trade shit is gonna happen is seriously misguided - IMO. Anybody seriously wishing for Rodgers to be gone, however, is craving mediocrity or worse - wanting the team we all claim to be fans of a loser for the foreseeable future. And THAT is pathetic.