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  • #496
    So that makes you wonder...is Joe Barely pitching for a slightly different kind of guy now? Is Guter trying to play mindfuck with the rest of the GM's by bringing in a guy he has no intention of drafting? Or are they thinking he can sit behind Gary and Smith and Engabare this year, lift some weights, learn to play coverage, and katy-bar-the-door by year three, when Love is contending for an MVP?
    "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

    KYPack

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    • #497
      Originally posted by Fritz View Post
      So that makes you wonder...is Joe Barely pitching for a slightly different kind of guy now? Is Guter trying to play mindfuck with the rest of the GM's by bringing in a guy he has no intention of drafting? Or are they thinking he can sit behind Gary and Smith and Engabare this year, lift some weights, learn to play coverage, and katy-bar-the-door by year three, when Love is contending for an MVP?
      This guy is probably a 3-4 round pick. I could see the Packers taking him as a situational pass rusher.
      I can't run no more with that lawless crowd
      While the killers in high places say their prayers out loud
      But they've summoned, they've summoned up a thundercloud
      They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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      • #498
        I thought I'd read he was a second-round type of guy. Since the Packers suck at the third round, maybe they ought to take a flyer on this guy in that round and see if they can break their losing streak in the third round.
        "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

        KYPack

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        • #499
          A lot of draft boards have him as a R2 pick. That could change or there could be a medical flag causing him to drop, but I think he's a Day 2 pick for someone. It's possible they see him as a 3rd down DPR as a rookie. Platoon him with Enagbare or something maybe. You shouldn't draft players early and not play them. I really don't see him as a scheme fit for GB. I also think Joe Barry is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, so who knows. Maybe they decide to get ONE guy against their type to have as a change of pace guy.

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          • #500
            Originally posted by Fritz View Post
            I thought I'd read he was a second-round type of guy. Since the Packers suck at the third round, maybe they ought to take a flyer on this guy in that round and see if they can break their losing streak in the third round.
            It's possible. Draft Network has him in the 80's, Pro Football Network in the 120's. But https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com...ll-mcdonald-iv has him getting drafted in the 40's. His stock seems to be rising.
            I can't run no more with that lawless crowd
            While the killers in high places say their prayers out loud
            But they've summoned, they've summoned up a thundercloud
            They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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            • #501
              McDonald is listed as round 1-3 by the six sites that I follow closely. Most have him in round 2. I don't see him getting out of round 2--even though I doubt the Packers will take him.
              "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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              • #502
                Originally posted by Deputy Nutz View Post
                McDonald is a hometown kid from Waukesha WI. He is really long, mostly a 5 tech end in a 3-3-5 defense that didn't do much to make life easy on him as a premier pass rusher in college. He is the all time sack leader in the Big 12 and he accomplished that mostly by defeating double teams his senior year. Good kid, I would say overall he is a bit raw when it comes to being able to be multiple on defense. Not a nickel edge at this point, and has not been asked to play coverage ever. Packers like big edges that are really closer to defensive ends. I hope the best for McDonald but I wouldn't say he is a great fit for GB's defense and that's not his fault.
                Nutz, have you looked at the OL and DL in this class? I'd like your opinion on some guys--since you seem to have a good bead on the lines.

                Joe Tippmann - Schmitz looked the best on tape for me, but he tested as an average athlete and he's an older project. Is Tippman good enough to go ahead of Schmitz?
                Ricky Stromberg - I think he's underrated
                Tyler Steen - He played OT, but I like the way he projects to OG. Most of his limitations will be masked at OG.

                Two sleepers that I like:
                Chandler Zavala
                Jordan McFadden

                DL

                Mazi Smith
                Jerrod Clark
                "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                • #503
                  Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers View Post
                  Nutz, have you looked at the OL and DL in this class? I'd like your opinion on some guys--since you seem to have a good bead on the lines.

                  Joe Tippmann - Schmitz looked the best on tape for me, but he tested as an average athlete and he's an older project. Is Tippman good enough to go ahead of Schmitz?
                  Ricky Stromberg - I think he's underrated
                  Tyler Steen - He played OT, but I like the way he projects to OG. Most of his limitations will be masked at OG.

                  Two sleepers that I like:
                  Chandler Zavala
                  Jordan McFadden

                  DL

                  Mazi Smith
                  Jerrod Clark

                  For real there's a prospect named "Schmitz"? And you spelled it correctly, twice?

                  I don't follow Michigan football so much any more, so I can't say much about Mazi Smith except that he got treated like the vast majority of elite college football/basketball players when he was found to have, I believe, a handgun in his car when he was stopped by the police. Which is to say, the University intervened on his behalf, and he received preferential treatment.
                  "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                  KYPack

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                  • #504
                    Originally posted by Fritz View Post
                    For real there's a prospect named "Schmitz"? And you spelled it correctly, twice?

                    I don't follow Michigan football so much any more, so I can't say much about Mazi Smith except that he got treated like the vast majority of elite college football/basketball players when he was found to have, I believe, a handgun in his car when he was stopped by the police. Which is to say, the University intervened on his behalf, and he received preferential treatment.
                    What is illegal about having a handgun in his car? Did he get the gun illegally? I'm not sure what the laws are in Michigan. As long as you pass the background check here in North Dakota, there's nothing illegal about carrying a gun in your car. Or was he the one who had applied for his concealed carry, but didn't wait to get approved before carrying a concealed weapon? I don't blame athletes for carrying protection. There is no doubt that in some areas they are targets (money).
                    "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                    • #505
                      Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers View Post
                      What is illegal about having a handgun in his car? Did he get the gun illegally? I'm not sure what the laws are in Michigan. As long as you pass the background check here in North Dakota, there's nothing illegal about carrying a gun in your car. Or was he the one who had applied for his concealed carry, but didn't wait to get approved before carrying a concealed weapon? I don't blame athletes for carrying protection. There is no doubt that in some areas they are targets (money).
                      No concealed-weapon permit, pulled over with a Glock in his truck.

                      Michigan lineman Mazi Smith gets probation in gun case
                      https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/michigan-lineman-mazi-smith-gets-probation-in-gun-case/
                      Michigan defensive tackle Mazi Smith was sentenced to 12 months of probation on Thursday for a misdemeanor charge of possessing a gun in his pickup truck without a concealed-weapon permit.
                      "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                      KYPack

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                      • #506
                        Originally posted by Fritz View Post
                        No concealed-weapon permit, pulled over with a Glock in his truck.

                        https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news...n-in-gun-case/
                        Yeah, I think he was the one in the process of getting one. Wouldn't really worry me much, but we don't have a law here requiring residents to secure their gun in a vehicle. Non-residents do though.
                        "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                        • #507
                          I'm not worried about that as far as not drafting him because of it. I was more just grumbling about the hyopocrisy of college football, specifically at the University of Jim Harbaugh. But I don't watch much college football, so I don't know how good Mazi Smith is. I'd take your word in the guy.
                          "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                          KYPack

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                          • #508
                            I know the guy is highly athletic and looks good on tape, but his production wasn't stellar. I just wonder if this is another Rashan Gary situation (another highly athletic, good tape, low production Michigan DL).
                            "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                            • #509
                              Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers View Post
                              I know the guy is highly athletic and looks good on tape, but his production wasn't stellar. I just wonder if this is another Rashan Gary situation (another highly athletic, good tape, low production Michigan DL).
                              I am highly unqualified to say much on that, as I was so very wrong about Rashan Gary.
                              "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                              KYPack

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                              • #510
                                Big, strong dude, pretty athletic. Would not want to be hit by him at full speed.

                                I think he's ok but not sure how he fits with GB.

                                He's an interior DT type, not a DE and don't know what they'd do with him since they essentially have 3 guys under contract already who can play at the nose with Clark, Slaton and Ford. Maybe if Slaton didn't show anything you take him and push Clark out, but ol' TJ looked ok to me. IMO they need more of a 5-tech type, but then again with Joe Barry who knows what they plan to do... and they mostly trot out 2 DL and play big edges anyway. They need another DL for depth and if they don't sign a cheap vet, they either take a falling guy like Breese or wait until Day 3.

                                Whatever they do, they have to rush the passer better, and they have to stop the run better. Weren't very good at either last year, especially after Gary's ACL injury.

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