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  • Hypocrisy and Redemption

    I admit to more faults than the average guy. But the one thing that drives me up the wall is sanctimonious hypocrisy. It has been my experience that if someone tells you more than 2 times that they are a really good christian, they probably are not. It has been my experience that when someone tells you how honest they are, more than twice, then you need to firm up the grip on your wallet. The same theory applies to santimonious condemnation of drinking drivers and people with other easily villified demons.

    Let me say that it will forever be a stain on the reputation of the Ripon Police Department that I have never received a DWI citation. There were many times when I should have received one, had they been more vigilant. But that was 30 years ago. Now I have raised 2 daughters and I am more like Ward Cleaver. People can and do change all the time.

    I would bet my house that many of the posters who go on and on and on about Koren Robinson have, on more than one occaision, driven with a BAC well above .08. I am sure that several have their own DWI citations. I am sure that some have cleaned up there act and should be applauded. I am sure they are proud of doing so. I am certain that some have had more than 1 DWI and learned their lesson later than some others, but they learned nonetheless.

    How many of you would want to be banned from the job market for your transgressions, whether they be drinking related or anger related? The truth of the matter is that Koren Robinson is going to pay the price with a jail term in Washington or Minnesota or both. Competent lawyering can probably put it off until February, but he is going to do some time. (Unless the Judge in Washington is REALLY pissed.)

    Some of you know that I live in suburban Minneapolis. I have always disliked the Vikings for the obvious reasons. (Denny Green, Randy Moss. Some of it is frustration from watching Dave Roller chase Fran Tarkenton around without success.) When KR came to the Vikings, I was skeptical. From a distance he looked kind of surly. But when I saw him on TV or at a publicity event, he has been a genuinely nice person. I found myself liking him in spite of his employer and in spite of his past transgressions. Some of you may know that he married this past June. You may not know that he voluntarily reentered treatment in May. I can only assume that he felt the demons returning and tried to stop them, but failed.

    That should not operate as a defense. There is a price to pay and he will pay it and he SHOULD pay it. That price is $10 million in salary, time in jail, and being publicly ostracized by hypocrits who don't know him. He will be suspended without pay by the NFL.

    But the piling on by hypocrits should NOT be part of the price. I wonder if Cliff Christl ever drove drunk. I wonder if he ever got caught. Newspaper writers have had a reputation as very hard drinkers in the past. So for those of you who enjoy piling unto Koren Robinson, take a look in your mirror before you become to sanctimonious. For those of you who are more pious than I, consider that redemption, in the religious sense, comes from admitting that you were wrong. After that, the pious must forgive in order to maintain their claim to piety.

    I have never met Koren Robinson. But if I did, I would say "I hope you make it. Is there anything that I can do to help you make it?" I would not kick him in the groin. I would certainly not do it repeatedly. I would not do it just to make myself feel better about my own shortcomings.

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    Christl is a crusty old man. I dont agree with what K-Rob did in Minnie, but I dont think his actions earned him a place in the life time unemployment line.

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    • #3
      Great post! I was remembering back to the days of Lombardi when the Packers were winning championships and people were tearing down the goal posts, those people were hammered! Wonder how many were driving home? And how people chuckle that Max McGee was hungover when he caught the TD pass in the Super Bowl. My point is, let's not be hypocrites, let the guy earn his living, he will do time, but it would be a shame to deny his talent because of a disease. GB will be good for him.
      Thanks Ted!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by gbpackfan
        Christl is a crusty old man.
        I disagree with Uncle Cliffy, but I suspect at least 35% of the Wisconsin population is in 100% agreement. Maybe much higher.

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        • #5
          wow.

          well said, av.
          Always respect your opponent, even when you're kicking the crap outta him.

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          • #6
            Re: Hypocrisy and Redemption

            I don't think you have to be a sanctimonious hypocrite to pass on hiring an admitted alcoholic. Don't confuse being prudent with being judgemental.

            If he applied to be a school bus driver, would you blame the bus company if they decided to hold out for a less risky candidate?

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              Re: Hypocrisy and Redemption

              Dupe.

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              • #8
                Well. Well. Um.

                I think that average america deals with this every day. Plenty of average folk get fired from their job after they've been featured outrunning the cops at over 100 mph, and I seriously doubt that they end up with another gig a week later.

                Your rant, AV, has a lot of truth to it, but I just don't think you can compare KRob to an average guy. He's NOT. Nothing about the life of a 1st round draft pick is "average". He's got different expectations and different perceptions.

                The guy has opportunities that I'll never have. He's squandered more money foolishly than most will ever see in their lives. Your post indicates you've got some knowledge of both mistake making, and alcohol abuse, as do I, and here is where we part company.

                I think this situation is sad, but I have a tough time feeling sorry for KRob. Perhaps if America (the courts, the NFL, the coaches, the people in his life) would let the guy suffer the consequences of his actions INSTEAD of bailing him out because he can help a football team win games, he might actually learn something.

                In this case, he just gets a $500,000 job instead of a $10,000,000 job, but it represents YET ANOTHER CHANCE. Will he learn something this time? I am not holding out much hope. $500k provides for a very soft landing in America. He needed to "bounce off the pavement this time".

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                • #9
                  Re: Hypocrisy and Redemption

                  Originally posted by Scott Campbell
                  I don't think you have to be a sanctimonious hypocrite to pass on hiring an admitted alcoholic. Don't confuse being prudent with being judgemental.

                  If he applied to be a school bus driver, would you blame the bus company if they decided to hold out for a less risky candidate?
                  If we were hiring him as a limo driver, I'd agree with you, but we're hiring him to run down a football field with a bunch of guys and catch passes. You don't have to have a great driving record to do that.
                  "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                  • #10
                    Re: Hypocrisy and Redemption

                    Originally posted by MJZiggy

                    If we were hiring him as a limo driver, I'd agree with you, but we're hiring him to run down a football field with a bunch of guys and catch passes. You don't have to have a great driving record to do that.

                    I don't care if he's applying to be a ditch digger. Alcoholic is not something a headhunter ever wants to see on a resume. It's a legitimate red flag. Passing on someone like that as many of us have suggested is purely a function of risk management. AVDavid suggests that our position is some kind of judgemental social commentary.

                    I disagree.

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                    • #11
                      Heck yes, I have many friends with a DUI/DWI or more on their record. (Many friends who have had their brushes with the law in RIPON, in fact. A town I know intimately.) If your record's completely clean, it either means you just haven't gotten caught, or you've lived a pretty boring life.

                      I don't have a problem with KR's character flaw.

                      What I do have a problem with are the following two things:

                      1) People who have felt sorry for KR or excused his actions due to his "disease" of alcoholism. No need to condemn or "judge" him, but to coddle him is ridiculous. I wouldn't feel bad for any of my friends who might get arrested for drunk driving. I'd bail them out of jail and chew them out real good, but I sure as hell wouldn't feel sorry for them.

                      2) The signing of KR was like putting a band-aid on a battle axe wound. That was TT's big reaction to the humilation of last week??? This is no fault of Koren Robinson, but the timing of this signing could not have been worse.

                      Hope it works out, but expectations aren't too high.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Hypocrisy and Redemption

                        Originally posted by Scott Campbell
                        Originally posted by MJZiggy

                        If we were hiring him as a limo driver, I'd agree with you, but we're hiring him to run down a football field with a bunch of guys and catch passes. You don't have to have a great driving record to do that.

                        I don't care if he's applying to be a ditch digger. Alcoholic is not something a headhunter ever wants to see on a resume. It's a legitimate red flag. Passing on someone like that as many of us have suggested is purely a function of risk management. AVDavid suggests that our position is some kind of judgemental social commentary.

                        I disagree.
                        What about when Ron Wolf drafted Tyrone Williams after he fired a hundgun into a carload of people? Not a lot of press about that. Robinson has a problem but he should still be able to work and make a living. It will actually help him.
                        Thanks Ted!

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                        • #13
                          Re: Hypocrisy and Redemption

                          Originally posted by packrulz
                          What about when Ron Wolf drafted Tyrone Williams after he fired a hundgun into a carload of people? Not a lot of press about that.

                          That is only one incident. And it should have rightly affected the value/risk ratio when Wolf considered the pick. In that case I might lower his draft position, but not eliminate him from consideration entirely.

                          But KR has been through rehab twice, and now he gets the DUI. It's the continuous pattern of behavior that exponentially increases the risk.

                          So your comparison is somewhat apples to oranges.

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                          • #14
                            Drinking

                            I would never hold the DUI against him cause 99.9% of us have driven after drinking, but I can honestly say without knowing anyone here that none of us have run from the law driving 100 mph. That was where he made the biggest of his mistakes.

                            As I've stated before, I have nothing against the signing EXCEPT the guy ain't gonna be around very long. He will have to do the time. Of course TT could have signed Ponder who's as good returning kicks as KR and at least HE would be around a few yrs.

                            But, anyone who look's for the pattern see's it. TT has to have HIS guys around him. (Manuel?) just to name 1............

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                            • #15
                              It was a first offense for Tyrone Williams, and from what I remember he didn't fire at anybody. He fired at the trunk of a car, but I've never read where people's lives were seriously in danger.

                              This has gone from the merits of the Packers signing Robinson--which is fair enough. To try to make people feel bad because we didn't feel like the Packers should be the team to give Robinson his FOURTH (yes, his FOURTH) chance is ludicrous. Many of us that opposed this move might have been for it--if this was his first, second, maybe even third chance.

                              I hear SOD (Onterrio Smith) is looking for work after his yearlong suspension. Maybe we can sign him too. He's a pretty good RB.
                              "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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