Studs and Duds Bills Edition

[Jaire]

Tom isn’t ready. He’s a natural ball player but too small.

Yeah. I saw that in the Washington game. MLF was sweating bullets after the game (and before when he had to throw Tom in there). That's a failure by Gute.

If we get a little luck, we can have Bakh-Jenkins-Myers-JRJ-Nijman. That's a better line up than the last two years (post injuries, playoff line up). Bulaga at least thought Bakh had a great game: STUD. I didn't really notice him: couldn't take my eyes off the interior caving on a lot of plays.

Edit: I agree with Bobblehead that he has great potential IF and only IF he can put some weight on. And I like him more as future LT right now. He was getting pushed back every snap in the Commanders game when he had no help, as well. He can't handle a bull rush at all right now and they really have to scheme him help.

[Jaire]

Studs: Toure.... ...... [YES: very excited about his future]
The TE's: All their TE's are terrible in the passing game. Tonyan has no acceleration and it is making it too easy on defenses.

Super Dud: I have seen enough! Barry is terrible. Fire his ass and let Gray run the defense the rest of the year. Don't care that Gray is a 4-3 guy. He can't be any worse than Barry.

Agree on Tonyan, BUT he is not going to be recovered from that injury til next year. HE DOES catch just about everything and is smart, reliable, good at getting open enough, and this team needs his reliable hands. Given what he is, he was a STUD in that game and had a TD stolen by the refs.

[texaspackerbacker]

Yeah. I saw that in the Washington game. MLF was sweating bullets after the game (and before when he had to throw Tom in there). That's a failure by Gute.

If we get a little luck, we can have Bakh-Jenkins-Myers-JRJ-Nijman. That's a better line up than the last two years (post injuries, playoff line up). Bulaga at least thought Bakh had a great game: STUD. I didn't really notice him: couldn't take my eyes off the interior caving on a lot of plays.

Edit: I agree with Bobblehead that he has great potential IF and only IF he can put some weight on. And I like him more as future LT right now. He was getting pushed back every snap in the Commanders game when he had no help, as well. He can't handle a bull rush at all right now and they really have to scheme him help.

Tom stunk it up in this game, but he didn't do as bad when he played Tackle. He seems to have some ability to move laterally. I wonder if Nijman could play Guard. Size and strength seems to be his strong suit. Bakhtiari wasn't very noticeable, which is a fairly good thing. I think he and Nijman both were getting a lot of help from TEs, though.

As I said in a different post, I'd like to see Douglas at Safety. It's just about unanimous that Savage is awful and not just in this one game. Use Nixon as slot Corner and Douglas in Savage's spot/ And as I also said elsewhere, maybe Savage would be an upgrade from Amari returning punts.

[Joemailman]

Yeah. I saw that in the Washington game. MLF was sweating bullets after the game (and before when he had to throw Tom in there). That's a failure by Gute.

If we get a little luck, we can have Bakh-Jenkins-Myers-JRJ-Nijman. That's a better line up than the last two years (post injuries, playoff line up). Bulaga at least thought Bakh had a great game: STUD. I didn't really notice him: couldn't take my eyes off the interior caving on a lot of plays.

Edit: I agree with Bobblehead that he has great potential IF and only IF he can put some weight on. And I like him more as future LT right now. He was getting pushed back every snap in the Commanders game when he had no help, as well. He can't handle a bull rush at all right now and they really have to scheme him help.

Bakh gave up no pressures on 34 pass pro snaps. He made Von Miller disappear. If Bakh and Jenkins can get and stay healthy, things could get a lot better. Shore up Rodgers' blind side and we'll see more downfield passing instead of so much stuff thrown behind the line.

[Bretsky]

A lot of Gutebag's questionable picks make the duds list for me

WYATT.....on a run Defense that's a sieve, the dude is playing so poorly he only got on the field for 10 dam snaps and did nothing
WALKER..Extreme talent with little production....perhaps that is on the DC
STOKES...Hate to say it, but he's not taking a step forward this year and his overall play seems to be going the wrong way from last year
SAVAGE...If you are a safety drafted in round one, you need to make some plays. I liked Savage at times; he's playing poorly at this point
GARY.......Pretty invisible. He's still a stud overall in my book (unlike the other 4 Gutebag draft picks listed first) but he was not on this game
RUN DEFENSE.....Have we really shut down anybody ? If we somehow squak into the playoffs, it's one and done if we can't stop the run

STUDS
Aaron Jones, our best offensive player
The Dubmeister- Great catch on a throw that was not that great
Backmeister - Would be great to see him string several games played in a row
Alexander -Showed some fire and backed it up

[Joemailman]

A lot of Gutebag's questionable picks make the duds list for me

WYATT.....on a run Defense that's a sieve, the dude is playing so poorly he only got on the field for 10 dam snaps and did nothing
WALKER..Extreme talent with little production....perhaps that is on the DC
STOKES...Hate to say it, but he's not taking a step forward this year and his overall play seems to be going the wrong way from last year
SAVAGE...If you are a safety drafted in round one, you need to make some plays. I liked Savage at times; he's playing poorly at this point
GARY.......Pretty invisible. He's still a stud overall in my book (unlike the other 4 Gutebag draft picks listed first) but he was not on this game
RUN DEFENSE.....Have we really shut down anybody ? If we somehow squak into the playoffs, it's one and done if we can't stop the run

STUDS
Aaron Jones, our best offensive player
The Dubmeister- Great catch on a throw that was not that great
Backmeister - Would be great to see him string several games played in a row
Alexander -Showed some fire and backed it up

Walker had 5 tackles and a forced fumble in 15 snaps before the ejection. He had his best game the week before at Washington. Obviously getting ejected hurt the team, but the light is really starting to come on for him.

PFF gave Wyatt a solid run defense grade. He's starting to play better even though he's not playing a lot.

[call_me_ishmael]

^ Bretsky hit the nail on the head as usual. How bad is Wyatt that he cannot get on the field. Did he just royally miss on that one? I thought he'd be a beast from day one since he is like 26 or something carzy.

[Sparkey]

^ Bretsky hit the nail on the head as usual. How bad is Wyatt that he cannot get on the field. Did he just royally miss on that one? I thought he'd be a beast from day one since he is like 26 or something carzy.

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[bobblehead]

Yeah. I saw that in the Washington game. MLF was sweating bullets after the game (and before when he had to throw Tom in there). That's a failure by Gute.

If we get a little luck, we can have Bakh-Jenkins-Myers-JRJ-Nijman. That's a better line up than the last two years (post injuries, playoff line up). Bulaga at least thought Bakh had a great game: STUD. I didn't really notice him: couldn't take my eyes off the interior caving on a lot of plays.

Edit: I agree with Bobblehead that he has great potential IF and only IF he can put some weight on. And I like him more as future LT right now. He was getting pushed back every snap in the Commanders game when he had no help, as well. He can't handle a bull rush at all right now and they really have to scheme him help.

He will. This isn't a long lean Jason Spriggs situation...plus Tom isn't a tire fire as is. He is serviceable right now. He can be a stud with some muscle mass. People try and claim he is the same size as Bak....no, he is same as bak was when he came out. I don't give a damn what they are listed at right now. Bak is 320 easy....and when he stays on the field he is playing pretty good. I had written him off, and I still want to see him string 3 games together without the knee forcing him out, but if he is full go by playoffs and Jenkins also....this team still has a lot of chances to make a run of it.

Remember also that he was playing LT against the commanders. Being bull rushed in pass pro from the edge is VERY different than a bull rush inside. Size isn't preferred, its required. I realize fans don't get that, but its simply a fact. From the middle you stop worrying about a nimble guy like sweat making an inside move because its already clogged up. You simply anchor away and slow the fatty down. I've made long detailed posts about OL plenty of times, but I assure you Tom can be a good guard today if he stays put and gets a few starts there....but that isn't his role for now.

[bobblehead]

Tom stunk it up in this game, .

As usual, we watched different games. Tom had TWO bad snaps in the game. Exactly 2. PFF had Tom with the 4th best grade on offense.

[bobblehead]

Bakh gave up no pressures on 34 pass pro snaps. He made Von Miller disappear. If Bakh and Jenkins can get and stay healthy, things could get a lot better. Shore up Rodgers' blind side and we'll see more downfield passing instead of so much stuff thrown behind the line.

Ageed. 2 keys left to this season. Sneak into playoffs. Have a fully healthy OL of Bak, Jenkins, Myers, Runyan, Yosh when we get there.

[bobblehead]

A lot of Gutebag's questionable picks make the duds list for me

WYATT.....on a run Defense that's a sieve, the dude is playing so poorly he only got on the field for 10 dam snaps and did nothing
WALKER..Extreme talent with little production....perhaps that is on the DC
STOKES...Hate to say it, but he's not taking a step forward this year and his overall play seems to be going the wrong way from last year
SAVAGE...If you are a safety drafted in round one, you need to make some plays. I liked Savage at times; he's playing poorly at this point
GARY.......Pretty invisible. He's still a stud overall in my book (unlike the other 4 Gutebag draft picks listed first) but he was not on this game
RUN DEFENSE.....Have we really shut down anybody ? If we somehow squak into the playoffs, it's one and done if we can't stop the run

STUDS
Aaron Jones, our best offensive player
The Dubmeister- Great catch on a throw that was not that great
Backmeister - Would be great to see him string several games played in a row
Alexander -Showed some fire and backed it up

From PFF grades on defense:

1. CB Jaire Alexander: 90.8
2. DL TJ Slaton: 76.2
3. LB Quay Walker: 75.3
4. DL Jarran Reed: 71.1
5. DL Devonte Wyatt: 69.6

Wyatt, over 10 snaps, earned a solid run-defense grade.

I'll say this (edit because it got cut off). Wyatt got in the game because we were bleeding run yards. When he got on the field it improved.

[bobblehead]

^ Bretsky hit the nail on the head as usual. How bad is Wyatt that he cannot get on the field. Did he just royally miss on that one? I thought he'd be a beast from day one since he is like 26 or something carzy.

Good god, he turned 24 right before the draft. He is not 26 and won't be until right before the 2024 season. And honestly he is a victim of having a really talented DL. You will be loving that pick in a season or 2.

[Jaire]

Ageed. 2 keys left to this season. Sneak into playoffs. Have a fully healthy OL of Bak, Jenkins, Myers, Runyan, Yosh when we get there.

(And healthy receivers. It's ridiculous: top four receivers injured/ out / hobbled.)

But agreed................... that's why AR has NOT LOST HOPE, but he has also said it will take (injury) luck.

[Jaire]

As usual, we watched different games. Tom had TWO bad snaps in the game. Exactly 2. PFF had Tom with the 4th best grade on offense.

As the former Packer Linemen have been chatting about on Twitter, there's pass pro and there's pass pro. It's not the same if you get help, and not the same if the ball's out in 1.5 seconds. Tom can't handle a bull rush. If he gets some sand in his pants he may be very good in the future, but right now Jenkins needs to get back to his former self. He was a late scratch; so hopefully Jenkins is back next week. PFF has nothing to say about getting help or about how LONG those linemen need to hold. We all remember 2020: Rodgers was hardly sacked AND had all day to throw.