Fed up

[call_me_ishmael]

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Ted's first 5 drafts produced Aaron Rodgers, Nick Collins, Greg Jennings, A.J. Hawk, James Jones, Mason Crosby, Jordy Nelson, Jermichael Finley, Josh Sitton, B.J. Raji, Clay Matthews, and T.J. Lang... 9 Pro Bowl players... Don't need to make trades when drafts are this good.

Pretty damn impressive. Would be two HOF if not for Nick's injury.

[Bretsky]

I disagree. 2020 will be decided by Jordan Love, but without that first we landed 1 starter 2 contributors and 2 more still on the roster that contribute some. 2021 landed 2 starters, 2 contributors and a guy who was traded for a similar pick. Every other guy is still rostered and only in their second year.

I don't get this positive spin. Here are all 10 picks. I assume we gained a few picks due to players losses


JORDAN LOVE- Round 1 AND round 4 Pick - Tee Higgins or Pittman anyone ?
AJ DILLON-- Round 2 Decent player, but is he the RB you draft in round 2
JOSIAH DEGUARA Round 3 BLA....aka...Just a guy. He's a nice value in round 5

NOBODY Round 4 See Round 1 Gutebag trade
Kamal Martin Round 5 I honestly thought he might be good, but he's gone
Jon Runyan Round 6 AWESOME pick cause he was me the draft contest. Solid value pick here as we get an ok starter in round 6
JAKE HANSON Round 6 Ok Backup I think
SIMON STAPANIAK Round 6 Gone
VERNON SCOTT Round 7 Gone
JONATHAN GARVIN Round 7 Stlll on Roster, I think


10 Draft Picks

AJ Dillon is OK, but RB's don't get drafted in round one anymore. Often the elite RB's are R2. I would not consider Dillon to be elite. Maybe somebody down the road

Runyan was a good pick in round 6 .

For 10 draft picks, this falls very very short in my book, CAPTAIN OBVIOUS POINT- DRAFT LOADED WITH WR'S. GUTE FAILED TO GET ONE

[Jaire]

CAPTAIN OBVIOUS POINT- DRAFT LOADED WITH WR'S. GUTE FAILED TO GET ONE

I was not big on drafting WR the year before, but 2020 was a weak draft and WR heavy. And you have no WRs under contract after next year.

Strongly agree with rest, though I would emphasize that Dillon was RB3 as well.

[bobblehead]

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Pretty damn impressive. Would be two HOF if not for Nick's injury.

Yet people still bitched about TTs drafts. How about Gutes first 5 drafts? Ted got a little lucky that Rodgers slid to him, and maybe Gutes reached for Love (time will tell). Otherwise Jaire, Gary, Savage, Jenkins, Dillon, Runyan, Stokes, Myers, and this years class.

Now its WAY to early to compare drafts over a decade ago to the most recent 5, but I could easily see Gutes drafts being just as good....realize your list has had entire careers play out, Gutes has had at most 4 full seasons of a career.

And your list includes AJ Hawk and a kicker. Also a journey man WR in Jones, and a never was in Finely. I actually believe if that is the extent of the TT list, then Gutes will rival it easy when the final story is told. I intentionally left this years class off the list, but either Watson or Doubs could have a Jones career. Walker could EASILY surpass the downfield tackling machine that Hawk was. Tom could easily end up with a sitton like career.

[bobblehead]

For perspective here is Teds First draft and Gutes first:

1 24 24 Aaron Rodgers Quarterback California
2 19 51 Nick Collins Safety Bethune-Cookman
2 26 58 Terrence Murphy Wide Receiver Texas A&M
4 14 115 Marviel Underwood Safety San Diego State
4 24 125 Brady Poppinga Linebacker BYU
5 7 143 Junius Coston Guard North Carolina A&T
5 31 167 Mike Hawkins Cornerback Oklahoma
6 6 180 Michael Montgomery Defensive End Texas A&M
6 21 195 Craig Bragg Wide Receiver UCLA
7 31 245 Kurt Campbell Linebacker Albany
7 32 246 Will Whitticker Guard Michigan State

1 18 18 Jaire Alexander Cornerback Louisville
2 13 45 Josh Jackson Cornerback Iowa
3 24 88 Oren Burks Linebacker Vanderbilt
4 33 133 J'Mon Moore Wide Receiver Missouri
5 1 138 Cole Madison Guard Washington State
5 35 172 J. K. Scott Punter Alabama
5 37 174 Marquez Valdes-Scantling Wide Receiver South Florida
6 33 207 Equanimeous St. Brown Wide Receiver Notre Dame
7 14 232 James Looney Defensive End California
7 21 239 Hunter Bradley Long Snapper Mississippi State
7 30 248 Kendall Donnerson Linebacker Southeast Missouri State

[RashanGary]

Odds aren’t as bad as you think finding a HOF QB

Right now Rodgers, Brady and maybe Mahommes, Allen, Herbert, Wilson, Lamar, Burrow.

That’s 8 of 32 teams with HOF QB play or 1 of 4. So we have about a 25% chance to land another.

[Jaire]

Odds aren’t as bad as you think finding a HOF QB

Right now Rodgers, Brady and maybe Mahommes, Allen, Herbert, xxxxx, Lamar, Burrow.

That’s 8 of 32 teams with HOF QB play or 1 of 4. So we have about a 25% chance to land another.

There was a drought of around 10 years at QB. Those five are really good, esp Mahommes and Allen. Not as easy as that. We could see another drought. Also, coaching and FO can make or break a QB: I don't think GB is in the top ten in coaching or FO any more. And that is the real weakness on the team. It has more talent than many years past. Just think: we had Wynn, Green, Zombo, and Walden for one of the best stretches this defense has played the last 20 years. This D has more talent than that squad. A coach change and I have real hope for this year, tbh

[bobblehead]

Odds aren’t as bad as you think finding a HOF QB

Right now Rodgers, Brady and maybe Mahommes, Allen, Herbert, Wilson, Lamar, Burrow.

That’s 8 of 32 teams with HOF QB play or 1 of 4. So we have about a 25% chance to land another.

I'll eat my hat of Wilson or Lamar Make the hall. A long ways to go to be projecting Allen, Herbert and Burrow into Canton as well. And Brady is past his sell by date.

At this exact moment there are 3 elite QBs in the NFL that make a huge difference. Allen, Maholmes and Burrow. All the rest need a LOT of talent around them. Hell, maybe even those guys do. We just saw Burrow without Chase present.

[Jaire]

I'll eat my hat of Wilson or Lamar Make the hall. A long ways to go to be projecting Allen, Herbert and Burrow into Canton as well. And Brady is past his sell by date.

At this exact moment there are 3 elite QBs in the NFL that make a huge difference. Allen, Maholmes and Burrow. All the rest need a LOT of talent around them. Hell, maybe even those guys do. We just saw Burrow without Chase present.

Yes. They have a lot of talent, all of them but Herbert and the Chargers (per usual) are dealing with injuries. I don't care who it is, no great QB has ever done it without the talent, especially in the post season. But all those guys can be HoF with talent. The only guy I don't know is Jackson, only because I have seen so little of him myself.

edit: I did not mean to include Wilson. His shot is done; I don't see him turning it around.

[Fritz]

Man, if the Packers could've landed Hockenson, they'd have had an instant bona fide pass-catcher and blocker. I know it wouldn't make sene financially, but on the field he'd have made a world of difference, I think, if the O-line can get its woes straightened out.

[run pMc]

Is Wilson better than Eli Manning? Matt Stafford? Why do people talk about those two as being fringe HOF QBs? Wilson was better than either of them.
The Broncos O is a mess right now but I think it's coaching. Well, that and Wilson being allowed to go off the deep end. These QBs turn into weirdo divas after some success.

You can say 8 of 32 QBs are HOF or have HOF potential, but part of that requires having a draft pick high enough and getting lucky with the player available. Lots of top 10 QB flame-outs drafted in the last 10 years... some of them still hanging around the league.
Teams have to keep spending high picks until they hit on a QB and then you do everything you can to keep them, even if it wrecks your cap. The value of a franchise QB is outsized and hard to overstate (if they are performing as such) in the modern NFL.

[run pMc]

Man, if the Packers could've landed Hockenson, they'd have had an instant bona fide pass-catcher and blocker. I know it wouldn't make sene financially, but on the field he'd have made a world of difference, I think, if the O-line can get its woes straightened out.

Would also have shaped their long-term future at TE. Tonyan is a FA, behind him there's Big Dog, Deguara and Tyler Davis. They'll need to draft and/or develop more TEs soon, and that takes time.

[run pMc]

Just think: we had Wynn, Green, Zombo, and Walden for one of the best stretches this defense has played the last 20 years. This D has more talent than that squad. A coach change and I have real hope for this year, tbh

They also had in-his-prime-Tramon, Woodson, Nick Collins, pre-HGH Clay III, Cullen Jenkins, BJ Raji and Ryan Pickett. And a promising UDFA named Sam Shields.

I agree the D has a lot of talent and a DC change would help them. I also think a year of seasoning for Quay will help, and doing something about Darnell Savage.

[Jaire]

They also had in-his-prime-Tramon, Woodson, Nick Collins, pre-HGH Clay III, Cullen Jenkins, BJ Raji and Ryan Pickett. And a promising UDFA named Sam Shields.

I agree the D has a lot of talent and a DC change would help them. I also think a year of seasoning for Quay will help, and doing something about Darnell Savage.

I'm not dissing that 2010 defense at all. It was amazing how they elevated that talent. AND Capers maximized the talent in the backend which might have been best in the league. The talent on this team is being squandered, and I remember thinking at the time, "how are they going to fit together Douglas, Stokes, and Ja," when they signed Douglas. There still doesn't seem to be a plan, and I really sense those guys are frustrated with what's being asked of them.

I just saw some more pics of Barry's defensive alignments, and I'm just scratching & scratching my head at what they are doing. It seems set up for failure. This d can be a lot better just in strategy: I'd roll the dice and run it very aggressive. Just put a lot on the cb's: these guys are competitors and shine when challenged. Put it all on them. You will lose some, but at least you lose swinging and maximinizing the talent. I can't blame that strategy. Right now they are not maximizing the talent, especially against subpar QBs.

[Mayhem]

Is Wilson better than Eli Manning? Matt Stafford? Why do people talk about those two as being fringe HOF QBs? Wilson was better than either of them.
The Broncos O is a mess right now but I think it's coaching. Well, that and Wilson being allowed to go off the deep end. These QBs turn into weirdo divas after some success.

You can say 8 of 32 QBs are HOF or have HOF potential, but part of that requires having a draft pick high enough and getting lucky with the player available. Lots of top 10 QB flame-outs drafted in the last 10 years... some of them still hanging around the league.
Teams have to keep spending high picks until they hit on a QB and then you do everything you can to keep them, even if it wrecks your cap. The value of a franchise QB is outsized and hard to overstate (if they are performing as such) in the modern NFL.

Maybe people think if Joe Namath made the HOF with his 65.5 passer rating, that Eli and Matt would make it?