More Banjo - Packers vs Titans

[SudsMcBucky]

I don't know if he really had a choice. Rodgers had all of the leverage. I do think Gooter thought the window would be open this year again.

What do you all think of this plan?

https://twitter.com/DaireCarragher/status/1593643451601637381

I like it, I just don't know that MVP would go for that. On the other hand, if Rodgers has already committed to being back next year, maybe he would for two reasons: 1) better draft equity, 2) getting clarity and a pick for Love, 3) Setting up his friend JL for his role on a diff team next year

Except I don't think it's a FAKE thumb injury. It's pretty clear it's a real issue.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

And, yeah, this game, Butte was more inaccurate than Graham Mertz. But not even the great Tom Brady would be able to climax with the milksops currently playing WRs for the Packers.

And, btw, I am taking a dump at the moment as I compose this post. My feces are are worth more than the chickenshit the Packers currently have at tight end. It ain’t that difficult to find another J-Mike. Unless, of course, the GM is incompetent.

[bobblehead]

I agree with Wahle. They are worse with any QB not named Rodgers. Route running is still a hot mess.

I don't trust this FO to produce a championship team without AR. HoF calibre QBs do not come around every year, and we've had long droughts in the draft that produce no franchise QBs. See the QBs drafted between 2006 and 2016: Cam, Stafford, Wilson, Luck, and Cousins are the standouts, and I don't think any of those make HoF. We have a few potential Hall of Famers in the recent drafts. I'd stick with AR, even if he falls off. I am not sure he is there yet. Get him a little more help for a change (and a new DC)

And based on what I've seen, I don't think MLF is good enough to do it without someone like AR.

There are several flaws in the logic, but I'll simply point out one fact. When MLF was the OC of the Titans Marcus Marriota looked serviceable. After MLF left Marcus lost his job and his a mess in Atlanta right now.

The truth is that as I always say its a complete picture. Most coaches don't win Owls with bad QBs. But good teams with good coaching win with good QBs and solid rosters. Especially if the QB is on a first contract, or if you brought him in after drafting high several years in a row. Guys like Brady, Rodgers, Maholmes....they are in the thick of it every year. With good coaches and average ones. Great coaches are partly a myth. No coach wins with bad talent, and even average coaches can win with elite talent. Bad coaches are NOT a myth. Bad coaches ruin careers and lose even with talent. I have seen enough to be just fine with MLF. He just won more games in 3 seasons than the other coaches. This year has been a mess. Rebuilding the WR room while shuffling the OL every week. Bak and Jenkins throw a wrench in things because you can't really bench Jenkins, and Bak is in and out of the lineup. Then you have to deal with watkins and Cobb getting hurt, Doubs getting hurt, Watson starting the season hurt, then being in and out of the lineup.

Is Rodgers washed up? No, he definitely can still win. But can he carry a hot mess on his shoulders and make the playoffs....no, those days are past. The problem is that we are paying him like he can, and we haven't put enough talent around him due to various reasons.

[Fritz]

He could have traded Rodgers to Denver for multiple picks. If he had, Love would be playing now and they'd be getting an idea of whether Love can be the guy. If he can't, they'd have the draft capital this year to trade up and draft the QB of the future.

I was disappointed it was Seattle trading Wilson and not Green Bay trading Rodgers to Denver for the picks...

Denver has not fared well this year and if they had Rodgers I don't think they'd be much better. Conversely, I'm not sure Green Bay would be all that much worse with Love behind center. And they'd have a bunch of picks.

Gute made the wrong choice. It's an understandable choice, for sure, but it was the wrong choice.

There was one play in particular in the Titans game that says it all: Rodgers was back, looking, looking, pocket started to push in on him, and he just curled over, ready to take a sack - but no one came to sack him, so he scrambled forward. But he was clearly ready to take the non-existent sack.

He's looking older and older every game.

[Bretsky]

Andy Herman and Mike Wahle have some interesting analysis. In their opinion, Rodgers' problems really stem from season long line issues (not this game) and WRs running really really bad routes. Even if they run good routes, he has a hard time trusting them.

To me, he looks sharp a lot of the time. If the WRs are more consistent, you'll see better play from 12. He hasn't lost it, but he is aging. This is the most inconsistent play from his WRs in his career. IMO that falls on coaching, as well as the sloppy defense. They are no longer coaching fundamentals in GB. THAT seems to be Wahle's over all assessment, and Herman has some interesting insight why that is league wide. We are simply not used to this in GB.

And I remember last year, Rodgers insistance on the veteran's really showing the young guys how to be professionals, last year. They lost many of them this year. And the coaches aren't doing it any more. That seems the bottom line. A few teams still do really coach: Miami and the Titans come to mind. Overall it's poor play: something we're not used to in GB.

I'll take Tauscher and TJ Lang's analysis over Wahl's any day. Tauscher has been a Rodgers apologist all year long til the last week Even Tauscher has went luck warm on Rodgers now. He admits of a lot of the routes are being runn poorly; but he's finally acknowleding Rodgers is missing wide open guys and often even when he hits them the passes are off. Maybe it's his injury; maybe it's his decreasing play. Who knows. But our offense is a f'cked up mess and imo Rodgers needs to share some of the blame

And for the record, I don't know why anybody hasn't called for the firing of the WR coach. These guys don't seem to be developing at all and "part" of the problem is some shitty routes

[Bretsky]

He could have traded Rodgers to Denver for multiple picks. If he had, Love would be playing now and they'd be getting an idea of whether Love can be the guy. If he can't, they'd have the draft capital this year to trade up and draft the QB of the future.

OR there is a chance if we traded Rodgers for the multiple picks maybe we use Denver's pick to draft da Bears QB

[Joemailman]

I'm talking about 2022 draft. Fields was drafted in 2021.

[run pMc]

Is Rodgers' thumb broken? I recently heard that it was. If that's the case, he probably couldn't grip and throw properly in the cold/snow. You'd think they'd try to bench him for a week or two so it could heal up.
There's also the theory of older players not playing well in colder weather (take that for what you think it's worth) and maybe he's hit that expiration date for late season Lambeau games.

Either way, WTF is up with Joe Barry playing CBs off on one of the worst receiving/passing offenses in the league? They did an ok-ish job on Henry, but they got dog-walked down the field and let them convert to many short 3rd/4th downs. They have these great athletes who can surely play up and challenge 30 year old Robert Woods' of the world... and they make them play 8 yards off the line. Just madness. Tannehill looked like a sniper out there outplaying Rodgers while going for an efficient 22/27 for 330 yards...just awful.

They need to figure out balance on offense as well. If Rodgers is throwing more than 30-32 times they are going to lose. He hasn't played that great and his receivers aren't that good.

[call_me_ishmael]

I have two thoughts. Maybe not good ones, though.

1) Were they too quick to get rid of Mike Pettine? I didn't think he was all that bad although there were a few clear communication breakdowns that were pretty egregious.

2) It is just me or does it seem like a new coordinator/coach does great the first year then sort of stinks and reverts to their career average? Seemed like it happened with Dom, Pettine, and now Berry.

[RashanGary]

Teams are playing 2 high safeties almost consistently around the league because it prevents the big passing plays. A major downside of playing 2 high is it softens run defense. Man defense also softens run defense. Playing 2 high and man defense would be begging the Titans to run it down our throat.

Each defense is a give and take.

[bobblehead]

Right about now are we sure that Denver won't still throw a bunch of capital at us for Rodgers?

[run pMc]

Teams are playing 2 high safeties almost consistently around the league because it prevents the big passing plays. A major downside of playing 2 high is it softens run defense. Man defense also softens run defense. Playing 2 high and man defense would be begging the Titans to run it down our throat.

Each defense is a give and take.

True, and the 2 high is reportedly a reason scoring is down this year.

I think you could mix in other coverages (Cover-1) on early downs or at least play more Cover-2 Man instead of playing Jaire in a curl/flat zone. Dude runs a 4.3 and makes like $25M and you're playing him in off zone coverage like he's Quentin Rollins. That just doesn't seem like smart use of your personnel. Coaches should put the players in position to succeed based on what they do well.

Barry has often chosen to just run a borrowed scheme vs. create a scheme that is tailored to his players.

[run pMc]

Right about now are we sure that Denver won't still throw a bunch of capital at us for Rodgers?

It would probably require us taking both Russ and Hackett lol.

[Joemailman]

Right about now are we sure that Denver won't still throw a bunch of capital at us for Rodgers?

They traded away their 2023 1st and 2nd round picks in the Russell Wilson trade.

[Sparkey]

And my best guess so far is Gute was wrong..

I'm starting to think the Rodgers signing was a Mark Murphy move. Say all you want about Gute, but at the top of the three silos is a chair that Murphy sits in.