Official Packers 2023 Free Agency Thread

[Anti-Polar Bear]

The year after Gutes took over and spent all the cap space TT had been using on "our own" to sign Turner, Amos and the law firm of Smith & Smith I said "hey, all the people who begged TT for this got their way. Lets see how it works out". It wasn't all bad. We had a monster 3 year run. Now its time to pay the piper. Its simple math. We can't compete with younger teams that have managed the cap better for at least 2023. We need a reset now. Its one way to do it. I'm not a fan of it, but we had 3 legit chances at an Owl. If Love is good and we reset the cap we will maybe have more. I just hope Gutes manages the cash a little better going forward.

That spending spree got the Packers over the 89% threshold and helped the NFL with the 95% average. The year after Brady left, Kraft shelled out more in signing bonus frogskins to a few players than what it costed him to purchase the Traitors. New England’s odds of winning the Super Bowl that season was less than my odds of mating with Jennifer Lawrence. Kraft spent anyway. Why? CBA.

Google the CBA before you post!

[bobblehead]

It's wrong, of course, to say "there is no cap". As APB and I both said, you can stretch it and manipulate it, but there's obviously a limit to that.

No tex, that is literally what EVERYONE else is saying. What you and APB continue to say is "you can ALWAYS cook the cap" The implication is that there isn't a limit. As I pointed out (and literally everyone who disagrees with you) is that you can stretch it, manipulate it, kick it down the road, but eventually you have to travel that road.

[bobblehead]

The Packers coulda re-signed all the players you mentioned if they wanted to. The Ohio State center is a more than capable replacement for Lindsey. The German Shepherd correctly chose Aaron Jones over Williams. Ditto, P-Smith over Z-Smith. $10M/yr for a one trick pony in MVS ain’t a wise investment. Etc. Etc. Etc.

Incorrect. If the cap is irrelevant then Gutes technically chose to not resign Lindsey and waved the possibility of a different 2nd round pick at a position of need. He chose Patrick Taylor over Jwilliams. He chose Tipa Galei over ZSmith. he chose Malik Taylor over MVS. If you want an Owl and there is no effective cap, you keep all those guys instead of bottom of the roster guys. Or are you finally in agreement with tex that SOME choices have to be made and there are LIMITATIONS to what you can do?

[bobblehead]

By the way, this would be known as game, set, match as the youngins say.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Incorrect. If the cap is irrelevant then Gutes technically chose to not resign Lindsey and waved the possibility of a different 2nd round pick at a position of need. He chose Patrick Taylor over Jwilliams. He chose Tipa Galei over ZSmith. he chose Malik Taylor over MVS. If you want an Owl and there is no effective cap, you keep all those guys instead of bottom of the roster guys. Or are you finally in agreement with tex that SOME choices have to be made and there are LIMITATIONS to what you can do?

Adams chose Vegas over Green Bay…And, to borrow your logic, your entire argument is debunked.

[bobblehead]

Adams chose Vegas over Green Bay…And, to borrow your logic, your entire argument is debunked.

I didn't debunk your argument, you did. Both you and tex agree that choices must be made, which de facto means you can't just ignore the cap.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I didn't debunk your argument, you did. Both you and tex agree that choices must be made, which de facto means you can't just ignore the cap.

Choices must be made because frogskins is not unlimited and profit remains the motive. Not because of the cap.

[bobblehead]

Choices must be made because frogskins is not unlimited and profit remains the motive. Not because of the cap.

Isn't the cap based on income?

[texaspackerbacker]

No tex, that is literally what EVERYONE else is saying. What you and APB continue to say is "you can ALWAYS cook the cap" The implication is that there isn't a limit. As I pointed out (and literally everyone who disagrees with you) is that you can stretch it, manipulate it, kick it down the road, but eventually you have to travel that road.

So in this post, you seem to be seriously saying'doubling down on your ridiculous line, "there is no cap" (I actually thought it was just more of your stupid attempts at sarcasm). Then in your next post, you return to a little bit of lucidity and say, "there is no effective cap" - just another way of saying what APB and I have been saying all along - you can cook it, manipulate it, stretch it all out of shape, whatever. But obviously - as even you basically acknowledged in the second of those two posts, there IS a salary cap, and just as obviously, all that cooking/manipulating/stretching has a limit.

And about that disagreement hahahaha, just like on another unmentionable topic in a different area of the forum, ya'all disagreers are in clear denial of what has been going on for a long time. Most of the teams in the league (was it you or somebody else who pulled a figure of 19 out of the air?) are doing exactly what ya'all are in denial of - including the Packers.

And yeah, some choices do need to be made, or at least it is a good idea to make them. As for the examples you and or APB cited, overpaying for Linsley, MVS, and especially Z. Smith woulda been really stupid. As he got right and you got wrong, the tradeoff was not Malik Taylor for MVS, not Patrick Taylor for J. Williams. and not Tipa for Z. Smith.


So as those youngins you mentioned might say, you smacked your game/set/match shot right into the ol' net.

[run pMc]

I think we all agree that, just as the Sun exists, so does the NFL salary cap.

Managing the cap is important enough that they have Russ Ball to do exactly that.
If you don't think next year's cap situation is a problem, consider how it will force roster decisions and who they can keep.

By contrast the Bears have largely turned this season into a redshirt/training season for its players by trading away Roquan and Quinn, eating a lot of dead money, and coming out of it with over $100 million in cap space next year. Consider what happens if the Packers can't keep Jenkins and he and OBJ sign with the Bears -- they'll have Justin Fields with an instantly improved OL and a WR corps of OBJ, Mooney, and Claypool.