Coaches On The Hot/Warm Seat

[Fritz]

Well, run, you echoed what my old mentor, a high school basketball coach in Maryland, used to preach all the time: fit your scheme to your players' strengths. Don't force your players into a scheme they're not capable of executing.

That high school basketball coach won a state championship in Maryland in the 80's, and had some damn good runs in the tournament.

[run pMc]

Well, run, you echoed what my old mentor, a high school basketball coach in Maryland, used to preach all the time: fit your scheme to your players' strengths. Don't force your players into a scheme they're not capable of executing.

That high school basketball coach won a state championship in Maryland in the 80's, and had some damn good runs in the tournament.

I'm amazed that so many coaches are reluctant to do this when it's basically Coaching 101.
Belicheat has managed to carve out a HOF coaching career by putting his players in position to do what they do best.

You want to run mostly zone, fine -- have Gute get zone safeties, sure tacklers, instinctive players. Great. If you have guys who excel at man coverage, maybe mix it up - man on one side with a little safety help, zone on the other... or like I said, some press-man or man coverage at the line with safeties in a 2 deep shell behind them. For heaven's sake, don't line your corners 8 yards off the ball when it's 3rd and 5. Disguise your coverage - drop a safety down so it looks like Cover 1 or Cover 3, and then sprint him back and rotate at the snap to Cover 2 or something else.

This stuff shouldn't be rocket science. Thing is, Barry asks like it is. And he's not alone.

I'm not some super smart football Xs and O's guy, but I've watched enough years and read enough to have formed some opinions about what works. What Barry is doing isn't working... that's why I don't want him as GB's DC. It's just my opinion, so take that for what it's worth lol.

[RashanGary]

Jerry Gray gone. Now Barry can bring his own guys in and get to dominating!

[Fritz]

Jerry Gray gone. Now Barry can bring his own guys in and get to dominating!

Yeah, that's it. It was Jerry Gray that was holding them back. Yeah, that's the ticket.

[RashanGary]

Yeah, that's it. It was Jerry Gray that was holding them back. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Well, we know it wasn’t Barry. Ask Flower.

[RashanGary]

I liked Pettine. Outside of Kevin King having no common sense or situational awareness, he had the guys playing up to their potential.

[Joemailman]

Gray's replacement may already be with the team. Packers signed Aubrey Pleasant in December after he was let go by the Lions. Pleasant was on the same staff with Barry as CB coach with the Rams from 2017-2020.

[call_me_ishmael]

I liked Pettine. Outside of Kevin King having no common sense or situational awareness, he had the guys playing up to their potential.

I agree - I don't think he was a bad coordinator at all.

[Bretsky]

Pettine was fine
which is 2x better than Barry

But he told Flower to piss off after flower didn’t have his back after the playoff loss

[run pMc]

Oh, I don't think Pettine was good or fine. Barry hasn't been an upgrade, so in hindsight we decide he doesn't seem so bad.
I don't recall any poster in this forum arguing to keep Pettine or renew his contract.

They probably need to find some sneaky good young guy making his way up the ranks to be a good DC vs. rolling out these retreads, who are basically guys that worked under smarter, innovative coaches. They should hire someone because they are quick-thinking, creative, and good teachers, not because they rode someone else's coattails and are just stealing that person's ideas.

[RashanGary]

I kind of roll my eyes at the “smarter, more innovative” stuff. By and large, as soon as some “smart and innovative” coach comes up with something new, it’s all on tape anyway and all the dumb and unimaginative coaches have it in their tool bag too. Most of the time, the best defenses are the simplest defenses that have the best players. Smart and innovative is a catch phrase for fans to obsess about.

[Fritz]

Oh, I don't think Pettine was good or fine. Barry hasn't been an upgrade, so in hindsight we decide he doesn't seem so bad.
I don't recall any poster in this forum arguing to keep Pettine or renew his contract.

They probably need to find some sneaky good young guy making his way up the ranks to be a good DC vs. rolling out these retreads, who are basically guys that worked under smarter, innovative coaches. They should hire someone because they are quick-thinking, creative, and good teachers, not because they rode someone else's coattails and are just stealing that person's ideas.

That's it exactly.

[run pMc]

I kind of roll my eyes at the “smarter, more innovative” stuff. By and large, as soon as some “smart and innovative” coach comes up with something new, it’s all on tape anyway and all the dumb and unimaginative coaches have it in their tool bag too. Most of the time, the best defenses are the simplest defenses that have the best players. Smart and innovative is a catch phrase for fans to obsess about.

I get what you're saying, and I tend to agree. I think when someone rolls out something different that works, teams figure it out, even if it takes them an offseason to do it. Only one I can think of where that hasn't been the case is the Shanahan illusion of complexity thing, which some might say GB doesn't do enough because Rodgers like shotgun too much and doesn't like motion. Most other things come down to coaches adapting in-game or during weektime prep with things that can counter or neutralize the opponent, or just having players executing up to their talent and to their strengths.

I don't care for coaches who just blindly implement someone else's scheme. I think something gets lost in its translation: the person who came up with it originally has likely done so by trying lots of things and figuring out why it does and doesn't work, and can adjust the scheme to opponent when needed. I have doubts a copycat coach really has that level of understanding it, regardless of what they say.
Admittedly, I could be way off; these coaches spend a lot of hours year-round grinding at stuff and know much much more about football that I do. Maybe it comes down to personality and ability to quickly learn and adapt. Barry has to have MLF tell him to blitz more and have private chats with Jaire to adjust; that's not a great look IMO. Just because you know a scheme and have every detail memorized doesn't mean you can teach it well or run it effectively on gameday.

I'd also like to point out that for as much as I dislike Barry, the players didn't do him any favors this year. Coverage busts among veteran players. Missed tackles everywhere. Blown assignments in run or pass. Bonehead penalties. Those are mental or execution issues that really concerned me from a defense that has considerable talent.

[Fritz]

I get what you're saying, and I tend to agree. I think when someone rolls out something different that works, teams figure it out, even if it takes them an offseason to do it. Only one I can think of where that hasn't been the case is the Shanahan illusion of complexity thing, which some might say GB doesn't do enough because Rodgers like shotgun too much and doesn't like motion. Most other things come down to coaches adapting in-game or during weektime prep with things that can counter or neutralize the opponent, or just having players executing up to their talent and to their strengths.

I don't care for coaches who just blindly implement someone else's scheme. I think something gets lost in its translation: the person who came up with it originally has likely done so by trying lots of things and figuring out why it does and doesn't work, and can adjust the scheme to opponent when needed. I have doubts a copycat coach really has that level of understanding it, regardless of what they say.
Admittedly, I could be way off; these coaches spend a lot of hours year-round grinding at stuff and know much much more about football that I do. Maybe it comes down to personality and ability to quickly learn and adapt. Barry has to have MLF tell him to blitz more and have private chats with Jaire to adjust; that's not a great look IMO. Just because you know a scheme and have every detail memorized doesn't mean you can teach it well or run it effectively on gameday.

I'd also like to point out that for as much as I dislike Barry, the players didn't do him any favors this year. Coverage busts among veteran players. Missed tackles everywhere. Blown assignments in run or pass. Bonehead penalties. Those are mental or execution issues that really concerned me from a defense that has considerable talent.

Agreed, except I would argue that that's on Barry. One of the major points of having coaches is coaching your player so he doesn't make mental mistakes or execution issues all the time. Sure, it'll happen occasionally, but when it's defense-wide, isn't that on the DC?

I get part of what you're saying, though. Devondre Campbell played this year like, well, a traditional Packer inside linebacker, which is to say "meh." Kenny Clark was inconsistent.

[Joemailman]

Carolina Panthers
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#Panthers agree to terms with Ejiro Evero to become defensive coordinator
https://panthers.com/news/panthers-a...ve-coordinator

Vikings had making a strong push for him.