More Banjo - End of an Era

[bobblehead]

Lots of posters here are blaming Gutes for kowtowing to Rodgers. I don't think anyone is saying that it's Rodgers's fault.

But some people are saying that for a guy that is already filthy rich and says he's all about winning, it's a bummer that he still feels the need to get paid the crazy amount he's getting while bitching that he won't be part of a rebuild. He is dictating terms to the GM - he wants Cobb, Lazard, etc. all back, or maybe he won't come back, all of that - but he's hamstrung the GM with that contract.

My hope is that Rodgers will be traded after June 1st and we can be done with him. I really don't care if he goes somewhere else and wins a championship - though I seriously doubt that would happen. I'm just done with him being the de facto GM, done with him making pronouncements on what should or shouldn't be done, done with him setting all the conditions. He wants to be the highest paid QB in the league, AND he wants a Star-studded surrounding cast, AND he doesn't seem to take responsibility about his role in this past season's crumminess.

I'm just done.

I'm mostly with you. We just saw what the packers with a bad QB look like. I doubt Love would be worse than Rodgers was this season. He was bottom 5 in total QBR I believe (could be wrong...he was after like 12 weeks for sure).

[MadtownPacker]

Having an NFL player as a client of our firm, I do know how this works.

I don't blame ARod one bit for getting every dollar that he can. What I am sick of is listening to all his shit during the offseason about how Green Bay is disrespecting him and needs to keep certain players. How he goes on the McAfee show and talks about how he could be an MVP if the situation is right and who knows if it is in Green Bay or not. Hearing him talk about putting certain high price pieces in place to support him and then not giving the team any room to help make those acquisitions.

If you wanted the money and took it that is fine, but stop pretending that you have done the franchise any favors.

Wow, sounds like Erron wishes he was the Lebron of the NFL.

[bobblehead]

Rodgers acted in that interview like he's doing everyone in Green Bay a huge favor by considering coming back. I wonder if he has any sense at all of how many Packer fans have tired of his act and would be just fine with him leaving.

His act, while annoying doesn't bother me at all. His play on the field on the other hand....

[bobblehead]

50+ million for a below average QB isn't bad enough. We have to carry 30+ million in the largely washed up entourage? Give me a break.

If we take that flotsam into training camp we are as unserious about winning next season as we were this season.

So you think this years team wasn't serious about winning because we came into the season with reigning 2x MVP? Because we had what many considered the best roster in forever?

I'll give you credit for the first part of the post though, addressed in my next reply a bit more.

[bobblehead]

It’s like y’all don’t have a clue what’s it like to sign a contract. Somehow it’s Aaron’s fault that Gute gave him an extension with player friendly terms? That shits funny af

True, but if you are going to sign that deal, it gets really silly to demand that the team sign all your buddies who are mostly well past their prime and also want the best deal they can get. Its a salary cap era. Resources are limited despite what some try to argue. If you want to WIN you don't sign a deal that puts the team in cap hell, then insist they also carry several players who simply aren't that good anymore.

No, its not his fault he grabbed the most cash he could. It IS his fault that he then whines that the team committed the sin of not putting the "right situation" around him to win another MVP award. Honestly, this team was mostly healthy by week 18 with a win and in game. The team had come around. The defense was playing well. But the QB play to get into the playoffs is what was lacking and his inability to admit that has made MOST of the fan base ready for him to move on.

Again, if you glazed over my post. He grabbed the money, played for shit despite a pretty good roster and is now crying about it.

[bobblehead]

Wow, sounds like Erron wishes he was the Lebron of the NFL.

LeBron had more success when he was playing great and dictating terms less. He is still great, but not otherworldly and the high priced talent he maneuvered onto the roster was a bad fit for his style of play (and hurt all the time).

If Rodgers could go full Elway and become a game manager at this stage we probably would have won 12 games.

[call_me_ishmael]

LeBron is still one of the best players in the NBA in a much more physically demanding position. Aaron wishes he had LeBron's dedication to his craft.

Was Aaron not a game manager this year? He didn't have 300 yards once. They didn't really rely on his arm. They relied on Aaron Jones.

[call_me_ishmael]

Again, if you glazed over my post. He grabbed the money, played for shit despite a pretty good roster and is now crying about it.

I think that Aaron thinks those players are better than maybe you or others do. I think Cobb would find a spot on a roster somewhere for sure. Lewis has his role and if the other two TE were any good there'd be no prob with him having that role.

I disagree the roster was pretty good. Offensively it was hot garbage earlier in the year. It settled in later in the year. They had AJO on offense and that was about it.

[Fritz]

I think that Aaron thinks those players are better than maybe you or others do. I think Cobb would find a spot on a roster somewhere for sure. Lewis has his role and if the other two TE were any good there'd be no prob with him having that role.

I disagree the roster was pretty good. Offensively it was hot garbage earlier in the year. It settled in later in the year. They had AJO on offense and that was about it.

This may be where one of the posters who's talked about the poor line play this year has a point. The line was unsettled much of the year, and even once they got their preferred five out there, they weren't great. Exhibit A being Nijman in the Lions' game. Sure, Hutchinson is really good, but Nijman has not played that badly in a while - he was a turnstile.

With better O-line play, the Packers get better rushing production in the Detroit game and maybe control the clock. That, and Aaron Jones's fumble was really damaging. That was at least a six-point swing.

[run pMc]

This may be where one of the posters who's talked about the poor line play this year has a point. The line was unsettled much of the year, and even once they got their preferred five out there, they weren't great. Exhibit A being Nijman in the Lions' game. Sure, Hutchinson is really good, but Nijman has not played that badly in a while - he was a turnstile.

With better O-line play, the Packers get better rushing production in the Detroit game and maybe control the clock. That, and Aaron Jones's fumble was really damaging. That was at least a six-point swing.

Njiman was hurt which may have impacted his play, but Hutchinson had him turned around with bad footwork. Yosh has moments like that and I think while Tom gave up a couple of pressures he was an upgrade. Myers got trashed a couple of times by Buggs and McNeil; that was a problem for the running game. Aaron Jones getting stuffed for a yard isn't cutting it.

All year long it seemed like there were 10 players doing ok and 1 who screwed up the play. That's bad execution and to me that feels like a coaching issue. You have to get those guys on the same page, if they aren't you replace them a la Tom for Njiman.

33's fumble was one of the most important plays of the game -- if Bakh gets a better block on Comisky, he doesn't hit Jones, Jones doesn't fumble, and they have a first down deep in Lions territory. Given their RZ woes (another issue) let's say they chew up some clock and get 3 points. It's a 12-3 game at that point. Instead it's 9-6 with DET getting the kickoff to start Q3.

Their scoring and especially the RZ offense has been pretty bad all year; that they couldn't score on the #32 ranked defense in TWO games this year should be an indictment of the offense in itself. IIRC they had something like 25 points off 12 possessions inside the Lions 30 in those games.