More Banjo - End of an Era

[Harlan Huckleby]

I don't see the upside of Tonyan as a TE; I'd like a top pass receiver there. I'll take him back if the price is right

Tonyan is a cornerstone. Pass catching TEs are hard to replace.

ps. were you one of the people who wanted the packers to let Jared Cook go?

[Joemailman]

I sincerely doubt he is getting 4M per year. I was thinking vet minimum.

He'll get more than vet minimum. Made 2.4 million last year. 3 million sounds about right for 2023

[run pMc]

Tonyan is a cornerstone. Pass catching TEs are hard to replace.

ps. were you one of the people who wanted the packers to let Jared Cook go?

I wouldn't call him a cornerstone. He'll be 29 and had one good year. He catches everything and 12 trusts him, but he throws to him like 3 times a game.
He's a meh blocker... I'd say a TE who can run, block and catch is hard to find and replace.
They have Austin Allen on the PS now, he can catch.

FWIW there are several 6-5 250lb TE who can run and catch in the draft. Mayer can supposedly even block. Musgrave, Kincaid, LaPorta, Kraft all are possibilities, and Darnell Washington is a moose who supposedly can block.

I don't think Tonyan is a must-sign or a cornerstone. I'd bring him back if he doesn't get a lot of interest, but I don't think there's really any upside with him and you'll get next year what you got this year out of him. If you think that's good enough you're going to need big contributions elsewhere in the passing game, because it wasn't enough last year. The offense is what ultimately let this team down.

[King Friday]

Tonyan is aging, which saps him off the few traits that make him serviceable. Our offense was miserable in the red zone this year because he was not the same TE he once was. It is a mistake to think he will suddenly return to form for anything more than short bursts at this point. His ceiling is now minimal, and his floor is descending. Why invest in that? Cut bait, and seek to find something with more potential.

[call_me_ishmael]

I'm willing to take a flyer on him - he was fresh off of the ACL. I do think they need to add some juice to that room via a draft pick.

[Bretsky]

Tonyan is a cornerstone. Pass catching TEs are hard to replace.

ps. were you one of the people who wanted the packers to let Jared Cook go?

NO

[run pMc]

Not a Packer among them.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2023-free-agent-rankings-free-agency

They actually have a lot of players under contract for 2023, but I expect bargain bin diving and draft picks to backfill the roster.

Keisean Nixon might be the top priority to resign, depending on who you ask.

[texaspackerbacker]

Not much on that list I'd want the Packers to be interested in. I guess I agree, they need to re-sign Nixon, but not for too much. He gets injured pretty easy, and it's possible he just got lucky on those long returns.

[run pMc]

Not much on that list I'd want the Packers to be interested in. I guess I agree, they need to re-sign Nixon, but not for too much. He gets injured pretty easy, and it's possible he just got lucky on those long returns.

You had me until the last sentence.
Running back a 93 yarder and then a 105 yarder back to back weeks and being named AP All Pro in a half season may be a hot streak, but I wouldn't call it luck. Just ask GB's prior 10 years' worth of returners. That's like saying Aaron Jones' long runs are pure luck and any RB off the street could do the same, implying he's not worth keeping.

I do think you can find dynamic returners but you have to look harder than GB has in the past. Nixon is a nice player but I wouldn't throw crazy money at him. If he gets a big contract elsewhere good for him and I wish him well.

[texaspackerbacker]

I'm hopeful Nixon really is that good, and yeah, given the recent past among Packer kick and punt returners, I hope they keep him. But on those returns, basically the coverage just parted like the Red Sea, and he was gone. Against the Lions, he looked pretty ordinary. As for a Jones comparison, you can see Jones jumpcutting and sometimes breaking tackles like Dillon doesn't and Nixon basically didn't need to do.

[flamacue]

I would do the radical change. I’d get a good coach and general manager and get then get Purdy from the 49ers. Probably not a popular stance on here.

[bobblehead]

I would do the radical change. I’d get a good coach and general manager and get then get Purdy from the 49ers. Probably not a popular stance on here.

Lol....probably not a popular stance anywhere.

[Joemailman]

I would do the radical change. I’d get a good coach and general manager and get then get Purdy from the 49ers. Probably not a popular stance on here.

Good idea. Maybe 49ers will let us have Lynch and Kyle Shanahan.

[call_me_ishmael]

What is John Lynch doing that everyone else isn't? How are the Niners so good at drafting these days?

[run pMc]

What is John Lynch doing that everyone else isn't? How are the Niners so good at drafting these days?

Are they? Ask SF fans how they feel about Trey Lance and the draft capital they gave up.
They went thru a string of bad years where they had a ton of R1 picks on the OL under Harbaugh, then the DL as Shanahan took over. Those bad years gave them chances to draft early.

They were in position to draft Aiyuk, who GB liked, and Deebo before that. Kittle they lucked into as a Day 3 pick. I know people here liked him but I don't think anybody thought he'd turn out like he did. Fred Warner was picked a few spots (to my chagrin) earlier than Oren Burks.

Some of that was Trent Baalke. Lynch has been pretty good but as with all GMs he's had his share of missteps along the way. They cut Trey Sermon pretty fast, Kinlaw hasn't been as good of a replacement as DeForest Buckner, etc.

I'd say they've done very well with their coaches lately: Shanahan, Saleh, McDaniels, Ryans. If you're drafting talented athletes, coaching them the scheme's concepts properly and putting them in position to succeed matters. That last part is something I question GB's coaches do consistently well (or at all in Joe Barry's case).