Off-season 2023 Banjo

[Jaire]

lol. I didn't really put together Frank Reich and Carolina in my mind.... that makes sense after his merry go round QB disaster in Indy.

[bobblehead]

So if you have been saying the cap don't matter and just look at the Rams who made the moves necessary to win an owl I would say look at the Rams now.

No draft capital, in cap hell, McVay almost retired, but decided losing for $14M a year would be worth it. Dumping Ramsey, trying to dump Allen Robinson and coming off a horrible season.

But the Saints!! Well, they never actually won the owl, and they haven't been very good for a few years now. In a desperate attempt to have a winning record they just gave another teams cast off $37.5M a year.

Gutes needs to right the cap. At least we haven't traded away all of our draft capital (actually improving it thru Adams and Rodgers). He put the heir apparent in place a few seasons ago. Although we can't sign any real outside talent, we should be able to keep most of our own.

Because we blew our load, we won't be in the run for an Owl for the next 2 seasons (even if we keep Rodgers). But if we spend the next 2 aquiring/developing young talent and right the cap, we might be right back in the conversation pretty quick.

[run pMc]

So if you have been saying the cap don't matter and just look at the Rams who made the moves necessary to win an owl I would say look at the Rams now.

No draft capital, in cap hell, McVay almost retired, but decided losing for $14M a year would be worth it. Dumping Ramsey, trying to dump Allen Robinson and coming off a horrible season.

But the Saints!! Well, they never actually won the owl, and they haven't been very good for a few years now. In a desperate attempt to have a winning record they just gave another teams cast off $37.5M a year.

Gutes needs to right the cap. At least we haven't traded away all of our draft capital (actually improving it thru Adams and Rodgers). He put the heir apparent in place a few seasons ago. Although we can't sign any real outside talent, we should be able to keep most of our own.

Because we blew our load, we won't be in the run for an Owl for the next 2 seasons (even if we keep Rodgers). But if we spend the next 2 aquiring/developing young talent and right the cap, we might be right back in the conversation pretty quick.

Agree. My guess is they think the window with Rodgers is closed and they are looking at when the next window will open, presumably with Jordan Love.
I'm all for using cap space, but not a fan of mortgaging the future to do it. If you asked me if I'd go thru 3-5 years of losing and cap hell for a Super Bowl win, I could be talked into it. That's a lot of agony for one year of victory though.

I think GB generally do a good job of keeping their own players and restructuring rather than releasing players to keep under the cap. I think the Rodgers extension and Bakhtiari contract both were killers though. It's tough to have a number of players be the highest paid at their positions and field a good roster with depth...especially when those high earning players are on the wrong side of 30.

Last year's draft class looks like a good one.
This year's draft isn't great, but they have a chance to improve in some weaker parts of the roster, and if they draft and develop well they could slingshot back into contention.

[red]

So if you have been saying the cap don't matter and just look at the Rams who made the moves necessary to win an owl I would say look at the Rams now.

No draft capital, in cap hell, McVay almost retired, but decided losing for $14M a year would be worth it. Dumping Ramsey, trying to dump Allen Robinson and coming off a horrible season.

But the Saints!! Well, they never actually won the owl, and they haven't been very good for a few years now. In a desperate attempt to have a winning record they just gave another teams cast off $37.5M a year.

Gutes needs to right the cap. At least we haven't traded away all of our draft capital (actually improving it thru Adams and Rodgers). He put the heir apparent in place a few seasons ago. Although we can't sign any real outside talent, we should be able to keep most of our own.

Because we blew our load, we won't be in the run for an Owl for the next 2 seasons (even if we keep Rodgers). But if we spend the next 2 aquiring/developing young talent and right the cap, we might be right back in the conversation pretty quick.

i think we went all in a couple years ago (and decided to mortgage the future. then we came close, so management said lets keep the foot on the pedal, and push everything and then some even further down the road. in fact this all might have started 3 seasons ago

at some point we are gonna have to start releasing good players, you can't just keep restructuring forever like they've been doing

we might not go into full on rebuild more (maybe we should have started that last offseason), but at some point we are gonna have 10s of millions of dollars counting against the cap, which is gonna keep us from signing 4 or 5 guys that we might desperately need to get any better

thats why it might be a good idea to take rodgers full hit now and get rid of any other dead weight, have one shit year, and then lets go. the problem is, we are already screwing with guys contracts just so we can get rid of rodgers, so it could be an ugly 2 or 3 years, just because we kept trying to go all in

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

i think we went all in a couple years ago (and decided to mortgage the future. then we came close, so management said lets keep the foot on the pedal, and push everything and then some even further down the road. in fact this all might have started 3 seasons ago

at some point we are gonna have to start releasing good players, you can't just keep restructuring forever like they've been doing

we might not go into full on rebuild more (maybe we should have started that last offseason), but at some point we are gonna have 10s of millions of dollars counting against the cap, which is gonna keep us from signing 4 or 5 guys that we might desperately need to get any better

thats why it might be a good idea to take rodgers full hit now and get rid of any other dead weight, have one shit year, and then lets go. the problem is, we are already screwing with guys contracts just so we can get rid of rodgers, so it could be an ugly 2 or 3 years, just because we kept trying to go all in

I wish they would just announce it already. I agree trade should have happened last year, but we blew it. Time to cut the cord and move on..

[Jaire]

I'm not so pessimistic. Last year was a good haul in a deep draft class. A lot will ride on the success of that class.

If AR is traded, it will be tight this year, but we don't have any major holes on this team. Next year, cap will be clear and it should go up a lot too -- that's why I think a lot of teams are pushing money to the future. This last year was rocky with so many injuries and young players on the Oline and WR, but we have enough players there for next year at least. The defense did not play to expectations but pieces are there. My biggest want is resigning Nixon next year tbh. He gives us a boost we haven't had in a long long time.

Everything this year will be Jordan Love. The season hinges on his play.

[sharpe1027]

I think they can do well with Love being relatively average, but playing within the system.

[Fritz]

Lots of shit is going to hit the fan this coming week: Rodgers's decision, if Nijman will be tendered, if the team is going to make any serious effort to re-sign Tonyan or Lazard, if they can keep Nixon, and so on. Things are finally going to start happening.

[Jaire]

Nixon definitely seems steep (but that contract is in the details). Still glad they signed him. He was my number 1 (Yosh is number 2).

[texaspackerbacker]

Yeah, glad to hear they kept Nixon.

[call_me_ishmael]

Lotta people rip on the Rams blowing it up but has there been a better team the past like 6 years or so? Seems like they've been pretty damn good despite a not-so-great QB the whole time. I would gladly take that run and cap it off with a SB and tear it down - who wouldn't?

They have been more successful by any metric than the Packers the past 6 years or so, so that's cool with me.

[texaspackerbacker]

I sure as hell wouldn't! Give me consistent winning any day over the stupidity of tearing down to rebuild, even if they had a Super Bowl mixed in. They have won 5, 12, 10, 9, 13, and 11 the past six years, and that's sort of cherry picking, as before that they won an average of just 4.2 wins over the previous ten years. That compares to the Packers 8, 13, 13, 13, 6, and 7 over those same six years. And of course, the Packers averaged 10.6 wins over the previous ten years.

What metric were you using? hahahaha

[call_me_ishmael]

Super bowls titles and appearances. Very special run for them.

[call_me_ishmael]

Lazard 4 years 44 M from Jets, 22M gauranteed. Gosh, I would not pay him that. Totally not worth it.

[ThunderDan]

Lazard 4 years 44 M from Jets, 22M gauranteed. Gosh, I would not pay him that. Totally not worth it.

That's a shocker. Never thought he was worth WR 3 money.