Off-season 2023 Banjo

[Bretsky]

Arguably that's what his current contract is. Presumably, if/when he restructures again, the whiners and detractors will AGAIN show the same rotten lack of appreciation. Yeah, they seem to be justified by the overall badness, including but certainly not limited to Rodgers last season, but just wait and see. If Rodgers plays great this season, I bet a lot of the shitheadedness will continue in here.

Rodgers wasn't worth 50 million the way he played last year; I suspect he'll come out bitter this year and will be worth that amount. But we don't need to show him love; he's not giving us a deal. We are paying him what he's worth, ASSUMING he plays much bettter than he did last year. He won't give us a deal; that's not him. He might push money out, but he's never taking a pay cut imo

[texaspackerbacker]

Yes let's appreciate a $50M QB who can't crack the top 10 in most metrics (basic or advanced), especially since we've never appreciated him before.

Appreciation? That's what we do most games, and that's what the $300M they've already paid him, and a future spot in the HOF and Packers HOF is.

He's been appreciated plenty. Trading a player doesn't mean you don't appreciate them... just that they aren't a fit on your team anymore. Those are two different things.

I suspect you were booing Rodgers and screaming about them getting rid of an "unappreciated" Favre. Doubt you'd admit it either way.

First of all, I suspect those "metrics" are flawed - not valuing enough avoiding interceptions. Secondly, the injury and the inexperience at WR are obviously the primary causes of the downturn. 3rd, I saw greatness in Rodgers very early. Yes, I was conflicted about keeping Favre or not, but certainly not to the extent of "booing" Rodgers. Favre showed obvious signs of decline that IMO Rodgers has not. Fourthly, it was a different league back then - QBs took a beating a lot more than now with the rules, etc., which allow playing longer.

No, advocating trading him doesn't necessarily mean not appreciating him. It more likely means not appreciating winning a LOT of games, which almost certainly will go on with him and end without him.

This figure of "$50M QB" gets thrown around. It ain't as simple as 150 divded by 3. What counts (and is ironic because so many in here are "cap hypocrites") is his cap number which was extremely low last year and will be way less than $50M this year. When I say he has a team friendly contract, THAT is what I mean. That contract is also the reason why he won't get traded (RG, you're dead wrong about that) and he almost certainly won't retire. And as for the badness/consequences at the end of it, even that can be spread out/kicked down the road.

[bobblehead]

Gutes has tipped his hand a bit about converting Douglas to safety. I don't think that thought popped up out of thin air. With Savage being inadequate and relegated to the slot and very little in the draft it makes sense. Especially in a draft that is way deep at CB. Don't be shocked if Gutes takes a CB in the first for the 3rd time in his tenure.

[bobblehead]

delete....wrong thread

[sharpe1027]

Rodgers cap situation suggests either try one more year and rebuild or trade now. His cap hit balloons to $40M and $60M the following two years.

[texaspackerbacker]

That suggests win with Rodgers this season, then restructure next season to reduce the cap number - kicking the can down the road, and then win several more seasons with him, kinda like the Patriots and Buccaneers did with Brady. After that, who knows. Maybe we really do swallow the bitter pill whatever number of years from now, or more likely the cap gets mitigated and either we settle into just being mediocre like most other teams or else Vince pulls some strings up there and we get a third GOAT.

[sharpe1027]

After last year's performance, they might not think they're in a position to win with Rodgers this year.

[Bretsky]

That suggests win with Rodgers this season, then restructure next season to reduce the cap number - kicking the can down the road, and then win several more seasons with him, kinda like the Patriots and Buccaneers did with Brady. After that, who knows. Maybe we really do swallow the bitter pill whatever number of years from now, or more likely the cap gets mitigated and either we settle into just being mediocre like most other teams or else Vince pulls some strings up there and we get a third GOAT.

If you bring Rodgers back it was a good decision if you win a Super Bowl. IF we can't win a Super Bowl, I'm ready to swallow the bitter pill now.

I'd go a step further. I would have no issue trading AROD for a "2024 first and second round pick.

See what they have in Love, make sure he's our furture, and if he isn't you have 2 firsts in 2024 when the draft is loaded with QB prospects

[Bretsky]

After last year's performance, they might not think they're in a position to win with Rodgers this year.

After last year's performance I'm sure they wished they would have sent him to Denver for the ransom they paid for Russ

[run pMc]

After last year's performance I'm sure they wished they would have sent him to Denver for the ransom they paid for Russ

Oh, you mean finding out if Jordan Love is a good-enough QB, and having 4 picks inside the top 45?

Yeah, I bet that 8-9 record including falling flat in a win-and-in final game was worth it.

[bobblehead]

That suggests win with Rodgers this season, then restructure next season to reduce the cap number - kicking the can down the road, and then win several more seasons with him, kinda like the Patriots and Buccaneers did with Brady. After that, who knows. Maybe we really do swallow the bitter pill whatever number of years from now, or more likely the cap gets mitigated and either we settle into just being mediocre like most other teams or else Vince pulls some strings up there and we get a third GOAT.

The can has already been kicked. At this point the first 30 mil is just kicking further. Anything more than that is causing even bigger future problems.

[RashanGary]

The can has already been kicked. At this point the first 30 mil is just kicking further. Anything more than that is causing even bigger future problems.

Right. At this point you kick the can again and you just make up for what was already spent. There is an advantage the first couple years you kick the can, but once you get to the spot where it’s already kicked, you lose the advantage because you’re already paying for past years.

[texaspackerbacker]

The can has already been kicked. At this point the first 30 mil is just kicking further. Anything more than that is causing even bigger future problems.

The term "kicking it down the road" pretty much implies that it has been done before. Of course, it can be done over and over and over. An of course, it won't be a significant future problem considering the cap increase, etc.

[Fritz]

Tex must live in a McMansion, drives a Porsche, has a Land Rover in the garage, couple of collectible Corvettes, a ski boat, a fishing boat, and horses and a barn on the five-hundred-acre property he's got.

And Tex is probably retired, living on social security and his little IRA account.

But he can kick all the cans down the road - just transfers that credit card balance, over and over, to another credit card company.

Not to worry, though. His social security is going up by 8% this year, and his IRA is doing well - he's making 6% on that.

[texaspackerbacker]

You should have the balls to show up in FYI. I'm an open book there. What you posted has definite political implications, and I'm not gonna get myself suspended by replying to it here.