What do you want FB to do with AROD in 2023---AND some thoughts

[Joemailman]

The cap hell we are in, one of the largest in NFL history, an average team going downhill, not uphill, and my constant expectation of going the other way.

What? There are currently 7 teams in the NFL that are more over the cap than the Packers. Packers have some issues, but they're not burning the house down.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

What? There are currently 7 teams in the NFL that are more over the cap than the Packers. Packers have some issues, but they're not burning the house down.

The article I saw said we are 4th in Cap Hell. For sure on the wrong end of where we want to be to compete for a title..

Another view..

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robreischel/2022/12/02/the-green-bay-packers-future-looks-just-as-bleak-as-the-present/?sh=35adf506583d

[texaspackerbacker]

There's not gonna be a trade. Those articles by media pukes in New York are wishful thinking on their part and just stirring up trouble by the rest of the bastards, and idiotic thinking by those in here getting all hopeful.

As for the imbecile worried about "cap hell", I guess he didn't get the word about recent cap increase.

[call_me_ishmael]

The cap hell we are in, one of the largest in NFL history, an average team going downhill, not uphill, and my constant expectation of going the other way.

Okay, I reiterate again that they have had extreme success the past few years so they were highly likely to go down a little bit. That' reality.

Cap hell? Virtually any team with a QB on a non-rookie-deal during the 2020 and 2021 season has some cap shenanigans to deal with because of the pandemic and cap staying lower than they expected. Someday they're gonna have to pay the piper but so what. If they had a garbage team or something as you allege, they wouldn't be in cap hell.

You didn't actually address any of the point. What's so bad about their QB situation? They don't have Pat Mahomes or Josh Allen or Cincy Kid but I think most teams are enviable of their spot. They have the flexibility to go for it or reboot, and hopefully come out okay either way.

I don't know what I think anymore, but I think there is a reasonably good chance they move on from Love and just pay ARod the next two years.

[run pMc]

The last few years have featured QBs on rookie contracts or team-friendly contracts making hay in the playoffs. Burrow, Hurts, and Purdy are on rookie deals, and Mahomes signed a supposedly team-friendly contract. Take that for what it's worth. I think having that cap space means you can spend it on surrounding talent.

I don't think Schefter knows anything more than the rest of us. Maybe he heard an opinion from one source affiliated with the team, but that might be Joe Asst Ballboy. Rodgers holds some leverage here because he gets his 59M option if he plays next year. He also gets it if he's cut (which absolutely won't happen). He doesn't get it if he retires though, so he could threaten to retire if he doesn't like the trade destination -- he doesn't have a no-trade clause, but a retirement threat effectively becomes one. The team holds some leverage because they can trade him, but that's really it.

Agree with others that he had a bad year and a regression to the mean is to be expected, but I don't think it will be much above his admittedly good mean. He might be good enough to get to the playoffs for another year or two, but I don't believe he has anymore MVP magic left in him. Whether his 'good enough' is enough to get far into a crappy NFC and be worth his contract is an important part of the debate from team-building/roster talent & depth perspectives. And yes, as players age the injuries accumulate and make it tougher to stay healthy. Break your thumb or blow out your knee and it might be 'ok', but still never feel right or work the same again.

Publicly they are making it sound like any split would be amicable, and (beyond retirement) the team's decision. I don't think it's really smart to bring back most of these old guys.
I'd rather draft a WR and bring back Nixon to return kicks, which removes the need for Cobb. MVS got 3/$30M, I wouldn't be surprised if Lazard got the same; I'd expect at least 3/20M... which is going to be too much for GB and their cap situation. They'll let him go for the compensatory pick. They will absolutely draft a TE, so at least one of Tonyan/Lewis/Davis are gone.

[Fritz]

Okay, I reiterate again that they have had extreme success the past few years so they were highly likely to go down a little bit. That' reality.

Cap hell? Virtually any team with a QB on a non-rookie-deal during the 2020 and 2021 season has some cap shenanigans to deal with because of the pandemic and cap staying lower than they expected. Someday they're gonna have to pay the piper but so what. If they had a garbage team or something as you allege, they wouldn't be in cap hell.

You didn't actually address any of the point. What's so bad about their QB situation? They don't have Pat Mahomes or Josh Allen or Cincy Kid but I think most teams are enviable of their spot. They have the flexibility to go for it or reboot, and hopefully come out okay either way.

I don't know what I think anymore, but I think there is a reasonably good chance they move on from Love and just pay ARod the next two years.

This is the problem. Once you move on from Love, what are you left with? Hate, bitterness, anger, despair. And this is what another year - or two - of Rodgers will bring. Will he retire? Is he mad that they're not resigning his best friend _____ or that they're cutting his new best friend _____? Will he manipulate the situation to get more - more roster moves he likes? A coaching hire he wants? It's all going to keep getting nastier and uglier, without Love.

Love IS the answer.

And if Love sucks (and really, love should mean swallowing, too), then what have you lost? Another year or two of he said/she said? More injuries and passive aggressive posturing?

[Sparkey]

March 15TH, All teams need to be under the 2023 cap of 224.8 million. ( slight per team adjustments due to prior year carryover )

[Fritz]

March 15TH, All teams need to be under the 2023 cap of 224.8 million. ( slight per team adjustments due to prior year carryover )

Realistically - what are the chances that Rodgers leads a team - any team - to a Super Bowl next year?

Really. Keep him? What are the odds he gets the Packers to a Super Bowl? Slim and none, I'd venture.

But don't trade him cuz you're worried he's going to take another team to a Super Bowl? Really? He's going to lead the Jets/Raiders/Titans/Dolphins/Cowboys anybody past Mahomes or Burrow or Allen or Hurts? His best chance - his only chance - would be with the 49ers, whose defense is so good that the third-string QB almost got them there. The third. String. Quarterback.

Jared Goff outplayed him in the last game of a must-win.

Trade his ass.

[Fritz]

Oh - and this is for Tex - anybody who doesn't agree with me is a dumb-ass shithead puke who licks Rodgers's schnuttz and doesn't have a backbone, goddammit. Probably isn't even a real American.

[sharpe1027]

The truth is usually I'm the middle somewhere.

There's plenty of reason to believe Rodgers will have a better year. You just have to look at the history and see that the one year is the exception to the rule.

There's also plenty of reason to believe the Packers have little chance of winning the Super Bowl. You just have to look at the history and see that the one year is the exception to the rule.

Having established that it's by far the most likely scenario that the Packers flame out early in the playoffs next year, there's an argument for being bold and trading him to try and put themselves in the best position to win it all in a few years.

[call_me_ishmael]

Hell hath no fury like a pissed off ARod. Hopefully he’s lifting heavy and putting in the work pissed off at the haters and doubters

[Joemailman]

Hell hath no fury like a pissed off ARod. Hopefully he’s lifting heavy and putting in the work pissed off at the haters and doubters

Doubtful. He's playing at Pebble Beach this week.

[Rastak]

Oh - and this is for Tex - anybody who doesn't agree with me is a dumb-ass shithead puke who licks Rodgers's schnuttz and doesn't have a backbone, goddammit. Probably isn't even a real American.

Go Fritz. Hope you are doing well. Sure will be an interesting offseason.

[George Cumby]

Here's another one for Tex.

If everyone else is an asshole, maybe you're the asshole.

[NewsBruin]

Hell hath no fury like a pissed off ARod. Hopefully he’s lifting heavy and putting in the work pissed off at the haters and doubters

I hope so, too. I just don't think he'll be able to put together an entire All-Pro-quality season from hurt feelings.