What do you want FB to do with AROD in 2023---AND some thoughts

[Fritz]

At this point, it sounds like what they "need to do" is to re-sign at least a couple of the guys on Aaron Rodgers's list and bring Bakh back, which I think they intend to do anyway.

Ah, let's just trade the dude.

[Joemailman]

I've heard Rodgers and Love are represented by the same agency. If so, they're probably trying to figure out how they end up with both as starting QB's in 2023. No to Rodgers retiring. No to Love sitting for another year. Somebody has to be traded.

[Fritz]

I've heard Rodgers and Love are represented by the same agency. If so, they're probably trying to figure out how they end up with both as starting QB's in 2023. No to Rodgers retiring. No to Love sitting for another year. Somebody has to be traded.

Trade Rodgers Take a look at the histories of aging QB's - there are patterns. They begin to feel isolated because they are older. They begin to think they've earned the right to have some of "their" guys on the team. They are so used to being great that they have a hard time accepting their new, age-caused limitations, and because of that, they tend to look elsewhere for the cause or causes of their diminished performance. Offensive coordinators have to begin to change the offense - more short stuff to accomodate decreasing arm strength or decreasing mobility. The future HOFer believes he knows more than the offensive coordinator and increasingly does his own thing. Frustration levels grow, as the future HOFer just wants that one more ring to cement his legacy.

I think Peyton Manning was the one QB in this camp who actually got that last ring. Most of them just fade into more and more mediocre years (I'm thinking of Drew Brees and Phil Rivers, some flame out spectacularly (I'm thinking of Bert and that fatal interception he threw against NO when he played with Minny).

[bobblehead]

Fritz, I don't think this is the norm. To be honest I think every situation is unique except for the case that father time is undefeated. You described Rodgers and maybe Favre, but Montana, Young, Brady, Elway...I could go on. Many of them adjusted their own game, did the best with what they had. But they all got old. And they all lost effectiveness as a result.

[texaspackerbacker]

I think we need a poll about how good or bad Rodgers is gonna play next year and/or 2, 3, 4, or 5 years from now.

[CaptainKickass]

aging QB's - there are patterns. They begin to feel isolated because they are older. They begin to think they've earned the right to have some of "their" guys on the team. They are so used to being great that they have a hard time accepting their new, age-caused limitations, and because of that, they tend to look elsewhere for the cause or causes of their diminished performance. Offensive coordinators have to begin to change the offense - more short stuff to accommodate decreasing arm strength or decreasing mobility. The future HOFer believes he knows more than the offensive coordinator and increasingly does his own thing. Frustration levels grow, as the future HOFer just wants that one more ring to cement his legacy.

This is historically accurate for the last 2 Packers QB's as far as I can tell. Is it accurate around the league? (Minus the HOF or not)

I think Peyton Manning was the one QB in this camp who actually got that last ring.

Elway?

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

I think we need a poll about how good or bad Rodgers is gonna play next year and/or 2, 3, 4, or 5 years from now.

Does not matter, trade his ass..

[Teamcheez1]

Any poll about AR playing should only be 0, 1, or 2 years. He won’t last any longer than that.

[Joemailman]

Always nice to hear from the fans. https://twitter.com/i/status/1621784501167984640

[Fritz]

Fritz, I don't think this is the norm. To be honest I think every situation is unique except for the case that father time is undefeated. You described Rodgers and maybe Favre, but Montana, Young, Brady, Elway...I could go on. Many of them adjusted their own game, did the best with what they had. But they all got old. And they all lost effectiveness as a result.

You may be right. Elway, like Manning, got his ring toward the end of his career. Though as I recall, Joe Montana felt like he got pushed out of SF and there was some bad blood. And I think his last year or so in KC, he'd lost what little arm strength he had.

Personally, Brady didn't scare me those last couple of years. Even in the NFCCG, he was just a good game manager - he knew to pick on Kevin King there, but Brady didn't carry that team. He went along for the ride.

Steve Young I don't remember how that went for him. But I do recall - and this was sad - a broken-down Joe Namath still trying to play, long after he'd lost his athleticism, primarily due to that knee injury in a preseason game against Detroit.

I do think though that as QB's age (and they can play longer than players at most positions), they begin to feel isolated due in large part to their age.

[Bretsky]

At this point, it sounds like what they "need to do" is to re-sign at least a couple of the guys on Aaron Rodgers's list and bring Bakh back, which I think they intend to do anyway.

Ah, let's just trade the dude.

We tried SHARON as our Assistant GM last year

I'm at the staget of who our QB is should have no impact on which of these we sign. So assume Jordan Love is our QB; and then make your calls

[run pMc]

Any poll about AR playing should only be 0, 1, or 2 years. He won’t last any longer than that.

This

[run pMc]

You may be right. Elway, like Manning, got his ring toward the end of his career. Though as I recall, Joe Montana felt like he got pushed out of SF and there was some bad blood. And I think his last year or so in KC, he'd lost what little arm strength he had.

Personally, Brady didn't scare me those last couple of years. Even in the NFCCG, he was just a good game manager - he knew to pick on Kevin King there, but Brady didn't carry that team. He went along for the ride.

Steve Young I don't remember how that went for him. But I do recall - and this was sad - a broken-down Joe Namath still trying to play, long after he'd lost his athleticism, primarily due to that knee injury in a preseason game against Detroit.

I do think though that as QB's age (and they can play longer than players at most positions), they begin to feel isolated due in large part to their age.

I remember Namath one-hopping balls to receivers on out routes at the end of his career.
Brady's issue wasn't his arm strength, he definitely was more of a game manager after a while and rode a ferocious defense to the Super Bowl. This year the Bucs had injuries all over their OL which is danger danger to a non-mobile QB like him. It also hurt the running game and Fournette didn't play great anyway, so they were left with a lot of 3rd and 9's that are tough to regularly convert. I don't think you want him as your starter, and he's retired anyway.
Manning also rode the coattails of a good DEN defense. Von Miller was a beast.
Elway was a game manager who had a HOF TE and RB carrying the offense along with some good WRs. (Terrell Davis, Shannon Sharpe, Rod Smith, Ed McCaffrey)

Steve Young retired with a little left in the tank because of concussions, but you couldn't count on his staying healthy anymore. Good for him retiring to preserve what remained of his health. Aikman did the same.

Whether they feel isolated or not, I get why they want some of their guys around. (You probably associate with more work colleagues of your own age than those considerably younger than you.)
I don't think that means he gets to play GM.

As players age they lose athleticism, and also become more likely to get hurt, heal more slowly, etc. Starting a 40 year old QB and expecting them to play 17+ games against 25 year old 300 pound men who want to bury him under the turf has risks. Paying them $50M to play like average starter is madness.

[Bretsky]

I think we need a poll about how good or bad Rodgers is gonna play next year and/or 2, 3, 4, or 5 years from now.

I'll create a poll but would need more specifics.

Is the Poll how many more years he will play, or quality of play ? That would be hard to do up

I think he'll be greatly improved from this year. When we kept Joe Barry .......I just don't think we win a SB so I'm fine seeing him traded

[Fritz]

Since it's a slow news time of year for football, let's "unpack" the Rodgers comments at that golf tournament:

- On his not being traded to San Fran - the obvious answer is that Packer brass has told him already that IF they trade him, it will NOT be to an NFC team. Another possibility is that Rodgers has some weird animus toward Shanahan or Lynch or someone up high, and he doesn't want to go there. Or a third possibility is that San Fran has already made it clear to Rodgers/Green Bay that they're not interested.

On Raiders fans clamoring for him - the obvious answer is that he enjoys teasing out his possible retirement/landing place, and so he's just teasing because he enjoys it. Another possibility is that He really wouldn't mind playing in Vegas. A third possibility is that he's "just" commenting on how loud certain fan bases are.