What do you want FB to do with AROD in 2023---AND some thoughts

[pittstang5]

I just want the drama to end sooner rather than later. The last couple seasons, I really wanted Rodgers to stay, even last year I wanted him back. Now, I just don't care. Trade him, he stays, he retires....whatever, just make a decision and move on. I'm too old and cranky to want this drama to keep on going.

[King Friday]

If the opportunity is there to get a high first round pick in return for Rodgers, then the trade has to happen. The bottom line is that Rodgers will never win another title unless he takes less money and stops requiring old farts to hang out with him on the roster. He seems unwilling to go there, so receiving good compensation would make a trade a necessity if this team wants any chance in the next 3-4 years.

[call_me_ishmael]

Old farts - you’re probably right. Less money? Nah. He could take his cap money down to vet minimum this year IIRC. His cap number isn’t prohibitive at all this year. It’s a young man’s game clearly but I don’t think his cap number is the problem. I have no issue with Packers sucking balls and paying the piper for a year after Rodgers. I actually welcome it! I think it would accelerate the get-back-to-good process.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Arizona - Kyler for Aaron?
Dallas - They're a QB away
Minnesota - Are they a QB away?
New Orleans - Did they take their cap lumps this year? They are still pretty talented no?
NYG - Great coach, shit QB
San Francisco - I'd take Lance for Rodgers straight up
Seattle - I don't see the fit
Washington - I don't see the fit but maybe
Indy - Are they still good everywhere except for QB? They seemingly have spent a lot of picks on trash QBs
Raiders - Are they any good?
Miami - This might be the best fit for Aaron or Brady
New England - do they have the weapons?
NYJ - Good GM but blew their high pick on a shit QB
Pittsburgh - Are they a QB away?
Tennessee - Are they a QB away?

Where's this man going? Dallas is the best fit IMO. NO maybe a dark horse fit? Tennessee too maybe? Miami also feels really good.

If the Packers are gonna trade Butte, they ain’t trading him to a NFC team, unless that team offers the fucking Titanic.

[NewsBruin]

Old farts - you’re probably right. Less money? Nah. He could take his cap money down to vet minimum this year IIRC. His cap number isn’t prohibitive at all this year. It’s a young man’s game clearly but I don’t think his cap number is the problem. I have no issue with Packers sucking balls and paying the piper for a year after Rodgers. I actually welcome it! I think it would accelerate the get-back-to-good process.

I don't know if this is correct, but per Spotrac, Rodgers had the veteran minimum this past season ($1.15M) and will do so again this season ($1.165M).

Last season, his minimum was augmented by a $40M signing bonus, and this year, it's augmented by a $14.5M option bonus. Last season and this season also include a $2.85M restructure cap charge, which I guess is taking a previous contract's one-year charge (salary or roster bonus) and stretching it out over more years.

The minimum salary ($1.165M) is set in stone, as is the portion of the signing bonus ($12.98M) and the restructure ($2.85M). That's about $17M against the cap that's either already been paid or is the least we can pay Rodgers. None of that can be changed.

The only flexibility is Rodgers' $14.5M option and his $50,000 workout bonus. The Packers could extend him one more year, convert this year's bonuses into another signing bonus and split that $14.55M into five easy cap charges of $2.91M. If we convert the bonus but don't extend him, that's four yearly cap charges of $3.64M.

So instead of $31M this upcoming year (2023), he only counts $20M against the cap if we give him another year (2027).

But two things:

First, the year after that (2024), his salary increases (to $2.25M) and the option more than doubles (to $30M). He "only" has $8M of signing bonus charges in 2024, so that's $40M without adding $2.91M from restructuring his 2023 option bonus.

Second, nobody restructures for free. Rodgers isn't here to do Mark Murphy and The Best Fans In The NFL a solid. There will be more bonus money tacked on and more charges stretched out for more seasons, and the total salary cap hit will just be more and more.

I don't get the mindset of "I'd rather wave stupid money at Rodgers now to massage his hurt feelings, and I'll be okay when he's retired and eating 17% of our salary cap in 2026." I just don't believe our fans will be blissful with a garbage roster, warm memories of missing the playoffs again, and Rodgers' wistful passive-aggressive video message on his appreciation night.

I'd rather suck now with a cheaper Jordan Love and money to spread around our roster, but it's too late for that. Maybe we can find some starry-eyed GM who'll take A-Rod off our hands, but I have a feeling that Rodgers' and Russel Wilson's (and Deshaun Watson's) performances this past season have scared off most front offices from making an all-in trade for a veteran QB in 2023. Still, if we could trade his nobody-appreciates-me self and eat however much dead money for one year only, I'd take that fifth-round pick and sack of footballs.

[run pMc]

I don't think they were very good this year -- certainly not compared to the divisional round playoff teams -- and I'm not convinced they'll be better next year with Rodgers. If they're going to be a meh team in a mostly sucky NFC, might as well do it with cap space and a young QB on an expiring contract. See what he can do, and what the MLF offense actually looks like.

The 2024 QB draft class could be a good one with Caleb Williams and Drake May. If GB craps the bed with Love they can always move on and go for a new QB. Rodgers has been a great QB for years, but I think that time has likely passed, and I don't see the upside to trotting him out there again to go 8-9.

[Fritz]

I don't know if this is correct, but per Spotrac, Rodgers had the veteran minimum this past season ($1.15M) and will do so again this season ($1.165M).

Last season, his minimum was augmented by a $40M signing bonus, and this year, it's augmented by a $14.5M option bonus. Last season and this season also include a $2.85M restructure cap charge, which I guess is taking a previous contract's one-year charge (salary or roster bonus) and stretching it out over more years.

The minimum salary ($1.165M) is set in stone, as is the portion of the signing bonus ($12.98M) and the restructure ($2.85M). That's about $17M against the cap that's either already been paid or is the least we can pay Rodgers. None of that can be changed.

The only flexibility is Rodgers' $14.5M option and his $50,000 workout bonus. The Packers could extend him one more year, convert this year's bonuses into another signing bonus and split that $14.55M into five easy cap charges of $2.91M. If we convert the bonus but don't extend him, that's four yearly cap charges of $3.64M.

So instead of $31M this upcoming year (2023), he only counts $20M against the cap if we give him another year (2027).

But two things:

First, the year after that (2024), his salary increases (to $2.25M) and the option more than doubles (to $30M). He "only" has $8M of signing bonus charges in 2024, so that's $40M without adding $2.91M from restructuring his 2023 option bonus.

Second, nobody restructures for free. Rodgers isn't here to do Mark Murphy and The Best Fans In The NFL a solid. There will be more bonus money tacked on and more charges stretched out for more seasons, and the total salary cap hit will just be more and more.

I don't get the mindset of "I'd rather wave stupid money at Rodgers now to massage his hurt feelings, and I'll be okay when he's retired and eating 17% of our salary cap in 2026." I just don't believe our fans will be blissful with a garbage roster, warm memories of missing the playoffs again, and Rodgers' wistful passive-aggressive video message on his appreciation night.

I'd rather suck now with a cheaper Jordan Love and money to spread around our roster, but it's too late for that. Maybe we can find some starry-eyed GM who'll take A-Rod off our hands, but I have a feeling that Rodgers' and Russel Wilson's (and Deshaun Watson's) performances this past season have scared off most front offices from making an all-in trade for a veteran QB in 2023. Still, if we could trade his nobody-appreciates-me self and eat however much dead money for one year only, I'd take that fifth-round pick and sack of footballs.

I completely agree with ya, NewsBruin. I am certain GB fans would not be okay in 2025 or whenever with a ginormous cap drag on the team due to a retired Aaron Rodgers's contract. I also think I'd like to just move on from Rodgers. I also think you're right - I don't think you'll get a whole lot for him at this point. I think you could get a second rounder, maybe a late first. But there won't be a Matthew Stafford-like package or anything.

I do disagree with Shadow's post above, however. You just have to listen to the music:

[Joemailman]

Jets hiring Nathaniel Hackett as OC. Is it happening?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Jets hiring Nathaniel Hackett as OC. Is it happening?

Damn. Twitter is barking about the Jets pig owner being more than happy to give up 2 1sts for Butte.

Good thing I switched off days at the burger joint from Sun/Mon/Tue to Wed/Thurs/Fri. With history repeating itself, and with the Packers shipping Butte off to Siberia, expect the Packers to go 6-10 next season. I’d rather watch the NHL than watch the Packers go 6-10 again.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Hackett turned the masterful Russ Wilson into a toothless QB. There has got to better candidates in the sea. Bryon Leftwich, to name one.

Yet, the Jets hired Hackett. Butte’s heading to Siberia.

[George Cumby]

Jets hiring Nathaniel Hackett as OC. Is it happening?

Please, Dear God, yes.

[Bretsky]

Jets hiring Nathaniel Hackett as OC. Is it happening?

Wilde and tausch played an extended interview from end of 2020 when arod glorified Hackett and called him the most pleasant and joyful person in the building to play for and then expanded on that. Going to be interesting

[red]

The New York media was pretty much going nuts about getting him yesterday, saying how he’s the missing piece, and how he’s so amazing, it’s obvious none of them watched any packer games this season and saw he isn’t that player anymore

Best case is New York fans continue to get themselves all riled up and start demanding the jets trade for him. We could still get a good hall for him, 2 days ago I was thinking we could only get a second from someone.

[Sparkey]

Hacket hired as JETS o.c.

[Joemailman]

The New York media was pretty much going nuts about getting him yesterday, saying how he’s the missing piece, and how he’s so amazing, it’s obvious none of them watched any packer games this season and saw he isn’t that player anymore

Best case is New York fans continue to get themselves all riled up and start demanding the jets trade for him. We could still get a good hall for him, 2 days ago I was thinking we could only get a second from someone.

Oh yeah? Well Stephen A. Smith says Jets could win it all with Rodgers.