Love’s first game as El Hombre…

[sharpe1027]

See, pointless. Civil? After calling people shithead and similar names for months ya don't like when some so much as says the word stupidity?

[texaspackerbacker]

I expect that shit from a lowlife imbecile like you, sharpe, but runpMc has tended to have a fair amount of competency and decency in the past.

[King Friday]

I don’t think they will pass that much, mainly because I expect Love to run the ball at least 4-5 times a game.

[sharpe1027]

They'll probably pass more if the get behind often and have to play catch-up.

[sharpe1027]

I expect that shit from a lowlife imbecile like you, sharpe, but runpMc has tended to have a fair amount of competency and decency in the past.

Hey, being called a lowlife seems like an improvement over all the name calling you've been dishing out for months. What did I do to get in your good graces?

[run pMc]

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2020-offensive-line-rankings

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2021-offensive-line-rankings

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2022-nfl-offensive-line-rankings

https://lombardiave.com/2020/08/05/packers-david-bakhtiari-pff-tackle-rankings/

https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/grading-the-packers-on-salary-cap-curve-offensive-line

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32176833/2021-nfl-pass-rushing-run-stopping-blocking-leaderboard-win-rate-rankings

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34536376/2022-nfl-pass-rushing-run-stopping-blocking-leaderboard-win-rate-rankings-top-players-teams

These are rankings and grades over the last three years that maybe 5 minutes of Googling got me.
They consistently list GB OL as being above average if not top 5 either overall or in certain categories like pass block win rate.

Those numbers are graded out independently of the QB, i.e., they measure things like whether the pass rusher is blocked for 2.5 seconds or longer, etc.

2021 was actually a down year for GB because they didn't have Bakhtiari or Jenkins (after the ARI game)...and they still graded out decent.

Bottom line: the GB OL has been good and still is. Disputing that is like disputing GB won 8 games last year - the numbers don't lie.
This will be an offense with a developing passing game with JLove and young receivers, but a very good veteran OL and run game. We'll find out not only if JLove is any good, but also how good of a coach MLF really is. Should make for some very exciting if unpredictable Sundays.

Love's first game will be quite interesting - on the road vs. CHI and Justin Fields. He might outplay Fields and GB still lose because they can't stop the run.
Very curious to see how the rookie receivers look in preseason in pads.

[texaspackerbacker]

Good job of researching hahahahaha. It's about like I woulda expected - as you say, not top five, but fairly good/above average. I do wonder, though, whether a. that 2.5 seconds is until the pass is thrown or contact with the QB is made by a pass rusher OR b. until the QB is flushed from the pocket. It kinda makes a difference. I also am not surprised that the level wasn't much lower without the sacred cow, Bakhtiari.

I did NOT blame the O Line for the Packers' mediocre record last year (I can just see these whiny "fact checkers" scrambling to find that I said otherwise - I don't think I ever did). It was, of course, the D as well as Rodgers and the receivers not playing up to the standard of previous many years that primarily caused the badness - and that primarily being caused by injuries and inexperience in the receivers.

I also substantially agree with your last paragraph, except you need to substitute "if" for "because". If Barry's competence as a DC is still where it was last year, they're in trouble - against RB runs and especially against QB runs. At this point, though, I'm optimistic that with all that outstanding talent, even Barry can put together a top flight D. As for Love, outplaying Fields is not all that high a standard, so he just might meet it. And if he does, I say again, the Packers are pretty much a loaded team otherwise - WRs, RB, hopefully now TE, hopefully the D, and yeah, even the O Line being above average (which as I said and some whined about, shouldn't make that much difference anyway hahahaha).

[run pMc]

You didn't look at it though, did you? 2020 they were ranked #2, 2021 #14 (because of Bakh and Jenkins injuries), 2022 #3 overall by PFF. That would be top 5 twice in 3 years, with an explanation for the other year. Individually, Bakhtiari (your so called sacred cow) was the #2 tackle in the league at pass block win rate, Njiman #1 in run block win rate.
if the QB isn't throwing the ball within 2.5 seconds, it's NOT the fault of the OL. They are metric independent of the QB -- in other words, your (a) or (b) does NOT make a difference. If the QB is not getting rid of the ball in 2.5s it's because he isn't doing something right, or nobody is open (i.e., the receivers fault), or both.

You continue to push false narrative about the OL being mediocre in the face of facts. It's dishonest and makes you less credible.

I agree the OL was not the reason the team missed the playoffs, at least not once they got their preferred lineup of Bakh, Jenkins, Myers, JRJ, Njiman going. Starting Hanson and Newman in the early games before Bakh and Jenkins could play cost them, but over the course of the season it was the D and the QB.

Re: the defense. Did you not notice they swapped out two veteran DL (Reed, Lowry) for a pair of smaller rookies, while basically forcing two unproven young players in starting roles? Has Devonte Wyatt proven he can stop the run? The Eagles ran for almost 400 yards on GB, do you think they will do better with rookie DL Day 3 picks? It doesn't matter if they can rush the passer when it's always 3rd and 2.

I suspect your level of understanding of the DL matches that of the OL. Maybe you don't understand line play, or don't care to. If that's the case you might want to not give an opinion you're willing to die on a hill for unless you actually have some data to back it up.

[bobblehead]

Love's best and worst games this year will be better than Rodgers best and worst games last year. His season overall will be better than Rodger's 2022 season.

[King Friday]

They'll probably pass more if the get behind often and have to play catch-up.

We were behind a lot last year.

[texaspackerbacker]

You didn't look at it though, did you? 2020 they were ranked #2, 2021 #14 (because of Bakh and Jenkins injuries), 2022 #3 overall by PFF. That would be top 5 twice in 3 years, with an explanation for the other year. Individually, Bakhtiari (your so called sacred cow) was the #2 tackle in the league at pass block win rate, Njiman #1 in run block win rate.
if the QB isn't throwing the ball within 2.5 seconds, it's NOT the fault of the OL. They are metric independent of the QB -- in other words, your (a) or (b) does NOT make a difference. If the QB is not getting rid of the ball in 2.5s it's because he isn't doing something right, or nobody is open (i.e., the receivers fault), or both.

You continue to push false narrative about the OL being mediocre in the face of facts. It's dishonest and makes you less credible.

I agree the OL was not the reason the team missed the playoffs, at least not once they got their preferred lineup of Bakh, Jenkins, Myers, JRJ, Njiman going. Starting Hanson and Newman in the early games before Bakh and Jenkins could play cost them, but over the course of the season it was the D and the QB.

Re: the defense. Did you not notice they swapped out two veteran DL (Reed, Lowry) for a pair of smaller rookies, while basically forcing two unproven young players in starting roles? Has Devonte Wyatt proven he can stop the run? The Eagles ran for almost 400 yards on GB, do you think they will do better with rookie DL Day 3 picks? It doesn't matter if they can rush the passer when it's always 3rd and 2.

I suspect your level of understanding of the DL matches that of the OL. Maybe you don't understand line play, or don't care to. If that's the case you might want to not give an opinion you're willing to die on a hill for unless you actually have some data to back it up.

It's kinda hilarious that you seem to think you or others in here somehow have better understanding of line play than I do. I'll maybe defer to Nutz and anybody else if they are or have been coaches. It was just junior high and a long time ago, but I actually have. Aside from that, though, as I said in an earlier post, shit swallowed is still shit - in other words, just because there is some media report or website or subjective way of judging things, that doesn't make it not still shit. Bakhtiari #2 at pass blocking at any time, before or after the injury, that just defies anything I have ever seen. And outside of here where there is this clique of true believers, most people I talk to see the same.

I guess it went over your head what I said or asked about the 2.5 second thing. The question is, are they counting until their is a sack or throw? OR are they counting until the pass rusher bolts past the lineman and forces the QB to get mobile - which happens over and over and over and over against the Packers O Line?

You, with your great understanding of D Line play shouldn't need this explained, but I will anyway: In Barry's D - for better or worse, and most D's these days are the same, run stopping is mostly the job of the ILBs. The linemen have a couple of gaps, but mainly they need to keep the O Line off the backers. They say it generally takes a few years for a D Lineman develop the strength and technique to be a good run stopper. Wyatt was good at a very high level in college, so there's strong reason to hope he will get good sooner rather than later. Slaton too should get a lot better. Lowry was never any good; Neither was Lancaster; Reed was a disappointment. I don't think those two new supposed D Linemen are meant to be replacements in the rotation for Lowery and Reed. The new guys seem more like pass rushers. I'm expecting Ford and maybe Slayton with a Y to be in the rotation along with just two big interior D Linemen being used a lot of the time. The goal is to not get to 3rd and 2 very often, and maybe sub in some bulk when you do. The hope for better run stopping ultimately is Walker getting better and maybe Campbell returning to form, that and maybe Barry figuring something out better than last year.

BTW, in case you missed it, I grudgingly agreed with you in my previous post that the Packer O Line is fairly good. What I stand by, though, is the relative unimportance of that one way or the other. As for dying on a hill, I'll do that every time for what I actually see, but NOT for bogus stats and shit opinions that some like to swallow.

Back to the thread topic, Love, if he is only marginally decent, they should dominate the Bears and Lions, and they should win more than they lose against everybody else. But will Love be decent? We can always hope.

[run pMc]

LOL yeah, you're wrong.

[Fritz]

I don’t think they will pass that much, mainly because I expect Love to run the ball at least 4-5 times a game.

Okay, this is how that first game is gonna go down:

Packers offense looks kinda disjointed - like it always does in the first game. But Love plays pretty well. Throws one pick in the first half, but mostly looks the part, though he does play it mostly very tight to the vest - doesn't take a lot of chances, lots of check-downs.

Packers in a tight game. Second half, Love looks more confident. Starts looking the part. Overall, he's having a pretty decent game, and Packer fans are encouraged. Joe Barely's defense plays kinda lousy - the usual defensive backs pointing at each other after broken plays, running backs gashing the Packer defense. But the game is close, but at the end of the game, at a key moment, Love throws a dumb, dumb pick and the Packers lose.

Packer fans panic after the game, despite the fact there were encouraging signs.

[RashanGary]

Okay, this is how that first game is gonna go down:

Packers offense looks kinda disjointed - like it always does in the first game. But Love plays pretty well. Throws one pick in the first half, but mostly looks the part, though he does play it mostly very tight to the vest - doesn't take a lot of chances, lots of check-downs.

Packers in a tight game. Second half, Love looks more confident. Starts looking the part. Overall, he's having a pretty decent game, and Packer fans are encouraged. Joe Barely's defense plays kinda lousy - the usual defensive backs pointing at each other after broken plays, running backs gashing the Packer defense. But the game is close, but at the end of the game, at a key moment, Love throws a dumb, dumb pick and the Packers lose.

Packer fans panic after the game, despite the fact there were encouraging signs.

It’s gonna be overreaction Monday for sure, no matter how it goes. But after half a season, with him being in his 4th year, we’ll have a good idea. I won’t overreact on one game, but I better see something good in 8.

[bobblehead]

Tex, I played OL (albeit D3). Im 5'10" tall and was 245 at the time. I understand leverages and footwork involved. The OL we have had the last 3 years is really good with the exception of injuries and especially mid game injuries. If they are healthy this year it will again be a top 5 OL.