Official 2023 Bury Joe Barry Thread

[run pMc]

LOL at tweets re: Packers History

https://twitter.com/HistoricPackers/status/1740457915021230123

Today in 2008: Packers cap year with 31-21 win over Lions, sending Detroit to the first 0-16 season in NFL history.

- Deshawn Wynn: 106 rush yds, 1 TD
- Ryan Grant: 106 rush yds
- Donald Driver: 111 rec yds, 1 TD
- Greg Jennings: 101 rec yds

Guess who the DC was for DET?

He's been making history (for the wrong reasons) for years.

[QBME]

LOL at tweets re: Packers History

https://twitter.com/HistoricPackers/status/1740457915021230123

Guess who the DC was for DET?

He's been making history (for the wrong reasons) for years.

Did not look it up.
Are you shittin’ me?

[Fritz]

I have zero faith a Joe Barely defense can hold ANY opponent to fewer than 34.

The ship is fucking sinking.

[texaspackerbacker]

Nobody is more anti-Joe Barry than I am, but that's a little hyperbolic. We won a helluva lot of games and held a helluva lot of opponents under 34 during the Barry years as DC. And the ship is NOT sinking. It's highly probable we make the playoffs, and remote but not impossible that we go far into the playoffs.

[Fritz]

Nobody is more anti-Joe Barry than I am, but that's a little hyperbolic. We won a helluva lot of games and held a helluva lot of opponents under 34 during the Barry years as DC. And the ship is NOT sinking. It's highly probable we make the playoffs, and remote but not impossible that we go far into the playoffs.

I can see how it looks like hyperbole, but I think all the incidents with that defense have reached critical mass.

If you don’t believe me, look up “shitshow” in Webster’s. A picture of a Joe Barry defense is what you will find.

[call_me_ishmael]

Chris Hewitt, passing game coordinator Baltimore
Marquand Manuel, secondary coach, Jets
And the one I think could be the guy…. Bobby Babbich, Buffalo, linebackers.

Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy excites me way more than those no namers. We know they’d at least play an agressive AF scheme and the players would love
It.

[MadScientist]

I can see how it looks like hyperbole, but I think all the incidents with that defense have reached critical mass.

If you don’t believe me, look up “shitshow” in Webster’s. A picture of a Joe Barry defense is what you will find.

Here's Barry's body of work (more like corpse of work) as a DC:
https://www.pro-football-reference.c...es/BarrJo0.htm

Every year Barry's defense was in the bottom 10 in rushing yards per attempt. Only 2022 was he not in the bottom 10 in passing yards per attempt. There may be worse shit-shows in the NFL coaching world, but Barry is deserving to be shit-canned.

[ThunderDan]

Here's Barry's body of work (more like corpse of work) as a DC:
https://www.pro-football-reference.c...es/BarrJo0.htm

Every year Barry's defense was in the bottom 10 in rushing yards per attempt. Only 2022 was he not in the bottom 10 in passing yards per attempt. There may be worse shit-shows in the NFL coaching world, but Barry is deserving to be shit-canned.

The more I read stuff like this, the more I think MiLF is the wrong hire.

I can maybe understand giving the guy a shot. But after last year and his previous stints, how can you even imagine he could turn it around?

[Fritz]

I'd say his next DC hire is key. I mean, the first key will be firing Joe Barely as soon as the season's over, but I'm thinking that's a given. But yes, The Flower has to get this one right. He inherited Pettine, so not on him. But Barely was his guy, and that has flopped. He better get the next one right or he may also be looking for a job in a couple years.

[CaptainKickass]

I'd say his next DC hire is key. I mean, the first key will be firing Joe Barely as soon as the season's over, but I'm thinking that's a given. But yes, The Flower has to get this one right. He inherited Pettine, so not on him. But Barely was his guy, and that has flopped. He better get the next one right or he may also be looking for a job in a couple years.

This ain't directed at you Fritz but I just felt the thread needed a reminder that Joe Barely will not be getting "fired" when the season ends.

His contract simply expires at season's end and the paychecks stop rolling in. No firing involved.

Well, just a second there, professor. We, uh, we fixed the *glitch*. So he won't be receiving a paycheck anymore, so it'll just work itself out naturally.

This has been a public service repost from Sergeant Semantics vicariously through Captain Kickass

You may now resume your normal bickering, arguing, name calling, one-upping, insulting & drunken posting.

[Bretsky]

I'd say his next DC hire is key. I mean, the first key will be firing Joe Barely as soon as the season's over, but I'm thinking that's a given. But yes, The Flower has to get this one right. He inherited Pettine, so not on him. But Barely was his guy, and that has flopped. He better get the next one right or he may also be looking for a job in a couple years.

I would assume nothing. Did you listen to Flower chat the other day. He said we played 3 good quarters of defense and one bad one. Went on to say the Offfense really needs to get first downs when the defense is gassed...etc....

Flower is looking for excuses to keep Barry. Playoffs, a half competitive game where our D does not melt down.

Barry Ball in 2024

[Bretsky]

This ain't directed at you Fritz but I just felt the thread needed a reminder that Joe Barely will not be getting "fired" when the season ends.

His contract simply expires at season's end and the paychecks stop rolling in. No firing involved.



This has been a public service repost from Sergeant Semantics vicariously through Captain Kickass

You may now resume your normal bickering, arguing, name calling, one-upping, insulting & drunken posting.

Let's call a spade a spade.

Not extending JB is the same as firing him.

[RashanGary]

Gary is top 20 in pressures
Clark is top 40
Preston is top 60

That’s our big 3. That’s the strongest part of our defense. And the strongest part is average.


Next strongest group is ILB. Quay is tough as nails and dumb as rocks. Campbell is aging and average. That’s an average group. So far the strongest parts of our defense, if taken alone, would make us a bottom 16 type of defense without considering our weaknesses.

And here is where you start looking at the problem.
Valentine is our best secondary player. 7th round draft pick. Average.
Ballentine, UDFA is garbage
Ford is a st player. Garbage.
Nixon is a ST player. Garbage.
Owens is a grocery stocker. Garbage.

We have, quite literally, the worst secondary in the NFL.


So based on talent alone, we have a bottom 10 and probably bottom 5 defense.


You go to any job and some guys come in and catch on lightning quick and are the best in the group. Others never figure it out and are always weak links. 90% of execution is the talent of the team. Coaching is a tiny part of the equation. See hoodie with and without Brady and Capers witn Collins and prime Woodson vs without. The examples are endless proving talent is by far the most important part of any aspect of football.


Fans have bamboozled themselves into thinking we have talent on defense because of 1st round picks. Cooper Kupp I’m the 5th round can be infinitely better than Corey Davis in the top 10.

The whole, we have a lot of first round picks on defense therefor we have a lot of talent and coaches are letting us down narrative is misguided and bordering on idiotic.



Let go of your stubborn belief that our first round talent is any good and you can start to see that Barry is coaching bottom 10, if not bottom 5 talent and he’s probably done about an average job.


And let’s say the players have soured on Barry because he’s not putting them over the top. Let’s say he’s “lost the lockerroom.” Frankly, 90% of that is them being trash football players and blaming someone else for their inadequacy.


Barry is not the problem. We need more talent in the front 4 (which can come from LVN and Brooks taking big jumps) and we need a complete secondary overhaul. Valentine improving and jaire healthy would be a start, but we need two safeties desperately and another corner minimum.

You guys are barking up the wrong tree. You look inbred mutts trying to catch a squirrel but spending most of your time chasing your tail. Barry being the scape goat ain’t it boys. It ain’t it.

[RashanGary]

Frankly I hope they keep the guy, add some talent and get some big jumps from guys and Barry comes out and shows you all what the fuck is what. Fans need a little humility.

[King Friday]

Lunatic Rat is a good qualifier for RG.