Official 2023 Bury Joe Barry Thread

[texaspackerbacker]

ABSODAMNLUTELY! Shit-can the bastard!

Yesterday was another thoroughly rotten game - any loss is. This one, though, was almost entirely on the D, and not even so much on the D players as on the DC/on the scheme/on the failure to adjust.

And we don't need some stale old piece of crap (stale as in Staley).

I'll throw out a name: Al Harris - doing a great job for the Cowboys coaching DBs, has Packer roots, and IMO would be coming from a better D scheme than we have now. Fire Barry quick and hire Harris before Jerry Jones snags him when Quinn leaves to be a head coach.

[Joemailman]

Time for some new ideas.

Wendell Ferreira
@wendellfp
Fangio-style defenses by DVOA:

Dolphins: 13th
Rams: 21st
Eagles: 22nd
Panthers: 27th
Chargers: 28th
Packers: 29th

If your scheme needs a combination of Jalen Ramsey and Aaron Donald or Fangio himself to succeed, I bring you some bad news.

[bobblehead]

To your post Joe (which doesn't show in a quote) I've always said the man outweighs the scheme. Schemes and concepts matter, but you can say its a "4-6" defense, but there is a lot of room to manipulate that idea. At the end of the day great minds make things work, not JUST great concepts. Guys like Andy Reid evolve over the years, but just keep winning.

I want a young smart guy who can exploit weaknesses. I love the way Bowles stops the run, then brings the house when you are in a situation that you pass from 90% of the time. Rex Ryan looks at an offense and says "hey, we can ruin them when they do this." Then he figures out when you do it.

[Fritz]

There is no reason to fire Joe Barely now. It just makes the organization look panicked, and the truth is, no new coordinator's going to be able to change enough to make so much difference that the Packers have that much better of a chance to win their last three and sneak into the playoffs. So no reason to can him now.

But the day after the season's over, yes, it's time. It's very much time. However, I am concerned that MLF will rely less on thinking about what would work against modern-day offenses and rely more on a network of guys he's worked with. That scares me.

I think Joe's point is a good one - the days of the Fangio defense being effective have gone by; the game has changed again. It's time, as Bobble points out, for someone who has a foundational idea but can scheme and adapt - both to what other teams are doing and to the strengths of his players.

I, personally, hated Buddy Ryan's defenses because the Packers got beat up by them, but I loved the idea that the defense was in control - they got after offenses and made offenses react.

Bobble said that well.

I'd like someone more like that.

[Joemailman]

MLF PC at 3:00 today. If Barry were being fired now, would probably be announced before then.

[texaspackerbacker]

As much as I hope, I doubt it happens. LaFleur likes the guy, or he wouldn't have let him hang around this long. I don't think he is gonna show him up/embarrass his worthless ass by firing him now. Besides, he'd have to answer a lot of questions about why the hell he waited this long. More likely, he will "retire" gracefully after the season.

Bring on a young smart DC to replace him, maybe Al Harris, and change the damned Barry scheme.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

As much as I hope, I doubt it happens. LaFleur likes the guy, or he wouldn't have let him hang around this long. I don't think he is gonna show him up/embarrass his worthless ass by firing him now. Besides, he'd have to answer a lot of questions about why the hell he waited this long. More likely, he will "retire" gracefully after the season.

Bring on a young smart DC to replace him, maybe Al Harris, and change the damned Barry scheme.

I am also in favor of hiring Harris as DC. Dude’s played /coached in so many schemes, he’ll make a sophisticated DC.

[call_me_ishmael]

Ha, sign me up for Harris. Been saying that for a few weeks now that I think he is going to be a stud in that role.

[call_me_ishmael]

Any chance MILF calls old buddy Jimmy Leonhard, or has that ship sailed? Kind of feels like some of the luster wore off JL.

[run pMc]

I feel like that ship has sailed, but ya never know.
Leonhard has been linked to a few college DC roles, but maybe he has an NFL job in mind. He was an analyst for IL this season, and mentioned as a candidate for MSU and USC DC jobs.

I wouldn't get my hopes up too high, but it would be interesting choice.
Honestly, they could probably get ChatGPT to do a better job than Barry.

[call_me_ishmael]

Rodgers is not firing Saleh. I wonder what the status of Ejiro Evero will be after this year. He's the DC for Carolina.

Didn't Denver just have a boat load of good players? I am skeptical that he'd be a net improvement. I don't know if I am just partial to former players or what but Al Harris sounds great. I dunno who the other up-and-comers are. I just want a guy that is a prodigy. Who is the next great DC in the NFL? Would Bob Salad come work with his former roomie? Maybe bring his brother while he's at it?

Why do the Ravens culturally have a great defense year after year despite changing coaches somewhat regularly? They're consistently consistent. How do we build that culture? They are clearly coaching and prioritizing D differently.

I would vote for Al because you know they're gonna man up and play aggressive AF every play. I want these guys shifting around and blitzing like crazy like the Rex Ryan Ravens did. Man up and rush the passer.

[Fosco33]

Jimmy Leonard should be an easy candidate

[Joemailman]

Jimmy Leonard should be an easy candidate

Leonhard. Not sure he's such a big deal anymore.

[Fosco33]

Joe Barry's Packers defense ranks in 2023

22nd in yards per play
25th in expected points added
22nd in takeaways
26th in passer rating allowed
29th in interceptions
22nd in sacks
28th in yards/rush
21st in scoring%
25th in adjusted net YPA
25th in third down%
31st in plays/drive

[run pMc]

Joe Barry's Packers defense ranks in 2023

22nd in yards per play
25th in expected points added
22nd in takeaways
26th in passer rating allowed
29th in interceptions
22nd in sacks
28th in yards/rush
21st in scoring%
25th in adjusted net YPA
25th in third down%
31st in plays/drive

and I believe they've dropped out of the top 10 in points allowed to about 17th. I'd have to actually be non-lazy and Google that, and also their Defensive DVOA ranking, but I've heard it's bottom quartile.

Barry has had 3 years to show us something that looks like improvement from Pettine, and basically it's been teases, disappoinments, and meh. I've been skeptical MLF would move on, but after two really bad performances you have to wonder.

Oh, and that DeVito kid the Packers couldn't sack? He was sacked SEVEN times by the NO defense, and the NYG scored a whopping SIX points. Imagine that - a UDFA 3rd string QB looking the part against a real defense.