Official 2023 Bury Joe Barry Thread

[run pMc]

45 games of Matt Canada in PIT, 0 games of 400 yards of offense or more. Every other team in the league had at least 4 in that time.
Canada wasn't getting the job done.

Joe Barry have actually had a few good moments, but they are outnumbered by the bad. He's been given a lot of defensive talent and they are repeatedly ranked in the 20's. I think they should move in a different direction at end of season.

[bobblehead]

Matt Canada got fired mid season from the Steelers as OC.

Just sayin…

Didn't he put up 200 on the ground against Joe just a couple weeks ago??

[texaspackerbacker]

I'm just getting into the forum after the game, so I haven't seen other posts yet, but I would think some of the heat may be off of Joe Barry. I still probably would prefer a different DC for the Packers, but I'll give Barry credit for putting together a decent D game plan today and doing so without a lot of first string personnel.

[bobblehead]

I'm just getting into the forum after the game, so I haven't seen other posts yet, but I would think some of the heat may be off of Joe Barry. I still probably would prefer a different DC for the Packers, but I'll give Barry credit for putting together a decent D game plan today and doing so without a lot of first string personnel.

One game against a real D does NOT excuse nearly 25 games of blowing chunks.

Part of me wonders if he schemed better and played more aggressively because of all the young players in the lineup due to injuries. If so, he is an idiot for not playing his best schematic football at all times.

[MadScientist]

I'm just getting into the forum after the game, so I haven't seen other posts yet, but I would think some of the heat may be off of Joe Barry. I still probably would prefer a different DC for the Packers, but I'll give Barry credit for putting together a decent D game plan today and doing so without a lot of first string personnel.

The defense looked better in some ways but they still gave up 460 yards. Forcing turnovers and actually stepping up on 4th downs made the difference. An improvement, but not so dominant that it makes Barry look that great.

[texaspackerbacker]

My prediction before the game in one of these threads was that Love would be more good than Barry's D was bad. That pretty much came true, although the D was at least a little better than the worst it has been. I'm gonna double down and predict something similar against the Chiefs, although Mahomes' mobility will be a helluva lot harder to deal with than piece of crap Goff.

[Fritz]

One game against a real D does NOT excuse nearly 25 games of blowing chunks.

Part of me wonders if he schemed better and played more aggressively because of all the young players in the lineup due to injuries. If so, he is an idiot for not playing his best schematic football at all times.

I grudgingly must give Barry credit for the job the defense did in Detroit. He had a second-string secondary and the Lions only scored 22. That’s a good job, like the guy or not.

But like you, I did wonder where the hell this scheming has been all year long. So I agree with your post.

[Joemailman]

I grudgingly must give Barry credit for the job the defense did in Detroit. He had a second-string secondary and the Lions only scored 22. That’s a good job, like the guy or not.

But like you, I did wonder where the hell this scheming has been all year long. So I agree with your post.

His tendency is to play cautious, but he's shown the ability to come up with aggressive game plans. Maybe MLF needs to carry a whip to coaches meetings.

[Fritz]

It's weird that he only seems to scheme aggressively when pushed to do so by MLF or by circumstance, yet it generally seems to work.

Is it NOT being conservative, though, when he finally, finally lines up lots of big bodies instead of playing the dime when it's third and two? I'm confused about that bit of it.

[run pMc]

Barry is slow to adjust, but he will adjust. I'll give him that. They played surprisingly well vs. DET and looked like an inspired defense. I wonder how much of that was Rashan Gary playing out of his mind. He was very emotional for this game and is widely viewed in the locker room as being an emotional leader, so maybe that gave them a little extra fire today. The Week 4 whipping probably had something to do with it too, along with DET being national writer darlings.

There are whispers that the Fangio defense is being figured out by teams, and that many teams who have adopted it aren't successful because you really need specific playmakers to make it go. I suppose that's why Staley looked great with Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey.

I'm not convinced the way Barry calls the defense is smart given the Lions and Bears are run-heavy offenses. Why would you trot out 2 DL and leave the C uncovered to run up and block your ILB? That's just asking to get run off the field. I understand the idea is to make the other team walk down the field by playing soft zone and keeping things in front of you, but GB doesn't tackle well and can barely hand off covering routes that cross from one player's zone to another.

I am starting to have serious concerns Barry will be brought back. He seems tied to MLF's hip and the fact that they have held a lot of team's garbage offenses to 20 points or less is going to be a selling point. They still allow a lot of rushing yards and are a middle of the road defense statistically, and that's after playing bad-to-middling teams like CHI, DEN, LV, and ATL.

[bobblehead]

I grudgingly must give Barry credit for the job the defense did in Detroit. He had a second-string secondary and the Lions only scored 22. That’s a good job, like the guy or not.

But like you, I did wonder where the hell this scheming has been all year long. So I agree with your post.

He also put up a monster effort in the playoff game against SF when our ST allowed a blocked punt to lose it. He has had a few inspired efforts, but again, I can't get behind keeping a guy based on a good game here and there. Coaches preach "consistency" and rightly so. The plays where Myers gets blown up, and the lapses Yosh has tend to kill entire possessions. The game plans Barry has put together have lost us games. If they can demand it of the players we can demand it of the coaches.

[bobblehead]

Barry is slow to adjust, but he will adjust. I'll give him that. They played surprisingly well vs. DET and looked like an inspired defense. I wonder how much of that was Rashan Gary playing out of his mind. He was very emotional for this game and is widely viewed in the locker room as being an emotional leader, so maybe that gave them a little extra fire today. The Week 4 whipping probably had something to do with it too, along with DET being national writer darlings.

There are whispers that the Fangio defense is being figured out by teams, and that many teams who have adopted it aren't successful because you really need specific playmakers to make it go. I suppose that's why Staley looked great with Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey.

I'm not convinced the way Barry calls the defense is smart given the Lions and Bears are run-heavy offenses. Why would you trot out 2 DL and leave the C uncovered to run up and block your ILB? That's just asking to get run off the field. I understand the idea is to make the other team walk down the field by playing soft zone and keeping things in front of you, but GB doesn't tackle well and can barely hand off covering routes that cross from one player's zone to another.

I am starting to have serious concerns Barry will be brought back. He seems tied to MLF's hip and the fact that they have held a lot of team's garbage offenses to 20 points or less is going to be a selling point. They still allow a lot of rushing yards and are a middle of the road defense statistically, and that's after playing bad-to-middling teams like CHI, DEN, LV, and ATL.

Our D looked good against detroit for 2 reasons. We did use 3 down linemen most of the game. We also played with a lead and forced a running team into passing situations. Clark is still good at pressuring the QB when he isn't getting gashed for 10 yard runs because his only one of two down linemen. Gary was in absolute beast mode. Let me see them slow down KC before I get too excited.

As I have said many times, its symbiotic. When the offense keeps the D fresh the D looks better. When the D gets stops the offense plays with more confidence. When you complete passes it opens the run, and vice versa. On and on it goes.

[Fritz]

I really wish he’d play three down linemen more often. He did though at least play to Jonathon Owens’s strength by putting him in the box. The guy tackled well. He probably couldn’t defend my mom on a pass route, but he seemed good against the run that day.

[Upnorth]

10th in league points allowed. With 0 starting secondary....
Last year d came on second half.
I might like Barry right now. Chargers and Detroit are goodish on o...

[bobblehead]

I really wish he’d play three down linemen more often. He did though at least play to Jonathon Owens’s strength by putting him in the box. The guy tackled well. He probably couldn’t defend my mom on a pass route, but he seemed good against the run that day.

He would let your mom use the walker to gain separation. A good safety wouldn't let that happen.