Official 2023 Bury Joe Barry Thread

[King Friday]

i think its gonna be tough to get rid of him after the last few weeks

The Niners were 10 of 16 converting third downs. That is bad, regardless of how the defense played otherwise.

And they let SF walk down the field with little resistance at the end, when it counted

If the Packers want to host playoff games and have a real shot at a title, get rid of the guy who has a track record of mediocrity.

[Fritz]

i think its gonna be tough to get rid of him after the last few weeks

Not at all. You just ask Barry to come in for a meeting, and you say "Joe, we're going in a different direction with the defensive coordinator position."

That's not hard at all.

[run pMc]

The Niners were 10 of 16 converting third downs. That is bad, regardless of how the defense played otherwise.

And they let SF walk down the field with little resistance at the end, when it counted

If the Packers want to host playoff games and have a real shot at a title, get rid of the guy who has a track record of mediocrity.

Agree. SF was converting a lot by catching the ball 2-3 yards short of the sticks and just breaking a tackle if someone was there or just running for it when there was a space cushion.
Also, I'm starting to wonder if the 'bend but don't break' model needs to be reconsidered, or at least modified. Teams go for it on 4th and 2 a lot more than they used to; even if a Barry defense tackles someone short of the sticks on 3rd down they usually give up the conversion on 4th.
I like the Fangio scheme and all, but I wonder if it's been figured out and being the creator Fangio is best position to adapt it well. You pretty much have to get a team into a 4th and 5 situation to force a punt, that's not BDB and probably something more exotic than sitting back in a reactive zone.

Barry gets some credit for coaching with his back against the wall, but it seems like this is a recurring theme: defense looks bad until end of season when everyone is fed up and he pulls out some good defensive games. If he can only do it from Week 13 on, what do you do for the previous 12 weeks?

When they draft a CB or S in R1 and Barry comes back only and we see a Keystone Kops defense, are we going to roll out the "8 1st rounders on defense WTF" thing again? I don't think they lack talent except at safety, and maybe corner (depending on health) but this defense has not performed up to its talent, and coaching is where people are going to look. Better defenses have worked with less than what GB has.

[Teamcheez1]

I have resigned myself to having Joe Barry back next year. MLF is too stubborn to make the change. I don’t think he sees the big picture surrounding the defensive performance over the last 2 years.

[call_me_ishmael]

Crazy idea - I wonder if Pete Carroll would be willing to coach D for a couple years.

[Upnorth]

Crazy idea - I wonder if Pete Carroll would be willing to coach D for a couple years.

Nah, let's get belichek.

And a pony

[texaspackerbacker]

Bottom line is, we can win with Barry - maybe a little more stressfully, but we can still win with him.

[call_me_ishmael]

I sincerely doubt at 72 Pete is gonna get another chance to HC, and he still wants to coach. I think he is a terrific defensive mind.

Kinda wonder if Harbaugh moves on we could snag his DC. Although he may want to take him with him.

Who are the up-and-comers. I want somebody that's gonna play Ravens style aggressive-as-hell.

[bobblehead]

I sincerely doubt at 72 Pete is gonna get another chance to HC, and he still wants to coach. I think he is a terrific defensive mind.

Kinda wonder if Harbaugh moves on we could snag his DC. Although he may want to take him with him.

Who are the up-and-comers. I want somebody that's gonna play Ravens style aggressive-as-hell.

Pete is under contract and working in the offices at Seattle. Probably emptying waste baskets and such.

[Joemailman]

Matt Schneidman
@mattschneidman

Quick housekeeping note: Joe Barry’s contract is NOT expiring, according to a source. Matt LaFleur has yet to make a decision on the future of his defensive coordinator, but it would be a firing and not a decline to renew if he moves on from Barry.

[run pMc]

Matt Schneidman
@mattschneidman

Quick housekeeping note: Joe Barry’s contract is NOT expiring, according to a source. Matt LaFleur has yet to make a decision on the future of his defensive coordinator, but it would be a firing and not a decline to renew if he moves on from Barry.

Yeah I just saw this and thought ah shit, they misled us all along.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2024/1/22/24047171/green-bay-packers-news-rumors-report-2023-final-year-joe-barry-contract

He's probably coming back. Crap.

[Teamcheez1]

With Barry’s contract, it has been stated that a 4 year contract is very unusual for a coordinator.

Some people are implying that MLF might have extended his contract for the additional year. Not a good look in my opinion for either scenario.

[Bretsky]

Time to put off being a legit contender for a couple more years if BarryBall comes back.

Maybe our Kicker will be able to make extra points and chip shots when they send Barry out the door

[Bretsky]

With Barry’s contract, it has been stated that a 4 year contract is very unusual for a coordinator.

Some people are implying that MLF might have extended his contract for the additional year. Not a good look in my opinion for either scenario.

Are they implying the extension occured this year ?

[Joemailman]

From MLF's 2023 season ending PC:

At last year’s season-ending news conference, held the day after the Week 18 loss to the Detroit Lions, LaFleur was asked if Barry would return for 2023.

“That’s what I anticipate, yes,” LaFleur responded.

From MLF's 2024 season ending PC:

“I know there’s going to be a lot of long-term, big-picture questions. I’m not there yet, fellas,” LaFleur said. “We’re just starting the process.”

If you want to read between the lines, it sounds like he is at least not ruling out some changes. Stay tuned.