Official 2023 Bury Joe Barry Thread

[RashanGary]

Barry is terrible; but by GB making the late season run he just might have kept his job.

I’m not convinced. I think Rudy ford, in particular, is a disaster and the other guys are so young or just not very good in the back that he’s had to cover them up a lot.

Savage and Owens are a nice pair. Savage with the range and Owens with the pop. I don’t think they’re very good by any stretch, but at least passable. Nixon is barely passable too. At least now he has guys who are JAGs or better vs having a true unpassable guy on the field.

And even with some passable JAGs, it’s not like he’s got this all pro squad out there so expecting the world is kind of…. Not it.

[RashanGary]

Barry and his merry band of secondary misfits were a top 10 defense in points allowed this year. If anything he’s over performed with what he had to work with.

[texaspackerbacker]

RG, Bretsky, I SAID make it a "what will happen?" thing, NOT a "what do you want to happen?" thing. Of course, the huge majority of us, even after a couple good games, still WANT him gone, but the question is, will LaFleur see it that way and get rid of him? - a much closer call.

[Fritz]

Barry and his merry band of secondary misfits were a top 10 defense in points allowed this year. If anything he’s over performed with what he had to work with.

I want what you’re smoking. Though it sounds more like hallucinogens.

[ThunderDan]

Barry and his merry band of secondary misfits were a top 10 defense in points allowed this year. If anything he’s over performed with what he had to work with.

How many 2nd -5th string QBs did we play? Seriously, I am not joking. The first half of the season the D kept us in games or at least close enough. The 2nd half was a shit show by the D except KC and Det bailed us out a bit by their coaches stupidity of fake punts and not taking 3 points when they were in FG range.

[ThunderDan]

Honestly, I would look at number of punts the D forced and 3rd down conversion rate. Also, 3 and outs.

Those have to be in the bottom 3rd of the league.

[BrokenArrow]

Honestly, I would look at number of punts the D forced and 3rd down conversion rate. Also, 3 and outs.

Those have to be in the bottom 3rd of the league.

Barry is bad. He's been bad everywhere he's ever been. He needs to go. The main reason for our points allowed per game being good is due to our offense being able to sustain long drives and limit the number of possessions.

[Joemailman]

Honestly, I would look at number of punts the D forced and 3rd down conversion rate. Also, 3 and outs.

Those have to be in the bottom 3rd of the league.

Packers D forced the least number of punts in the NFL (56)
Packers D was 25th in 3rd down conversion rate
Packers D was 20th in 4th down conversion rate
Through 13 weeks, Packers D was 27th at forcing 3 and outs.

[Fritz]

That's a bottom-third defense, however you look at it. Even on 'shrooms you can see that.

[Fosco33]

That's a bottom-third defense, however you look at it. Even on 'shrooms you can see that.

Heck - from what I read - shrooms would allow a much deeper understanding (not ‘even on’).

You’d need to be blacked out drunk to think our D is anything but bottom 3rd.

[run pMc]

Barry and his merry band of secondary misfits were a top 10 defense in points allowed this year. If anything he’s over performed with what he had to work with.

You have to factor in that GB's offense plays at a glacial pace, so there are less possessions. Look at the latest CHI game - they had SIX possessions the whole game. You can't score if you don't have the ball.

Go back and watch the NYG or TB games.

Also - Savage and Owens are NOT good, unless by good you mean good backups or good ST players. Savage is a really fast missile who misses tackles and occasionally takes bad angles. Owens is a better tackler but is slow and not very instinctive. The Texans didn't want him back, if that tells you anything. The secondary is duct taped together, that's trye, but it hasn't mattered lately since the pass rush has gotten pressure on some lower-tier QBs like Hall/Mullens and Justin Fields. Barry still plays those guys way off. They've looked good because they haven't been tested.

This team has given up more 200+ yard rushing games than anyone else in the league this year.

They are younger on the DL, but I'd say they are better. They still have plenty of veteran talent on the defensive side of the ball, it's not like they are all rookies like the receivers.

Their schedule has been very soft this year and even then they faced QBs like Baker, DeVito, Rypien, Hall/Mullens, Bryce Young, Garropolo, Russell Wilson, etc. Not a murderer's row.

I don't think Barry was a good hire at DC, but that aside I haven't seen much to recommend they keep him after 3 seasons either. If this team is serious about being a SB contender in/by 2025 they have to move on and find a better DC. Rodgers and Favre didn't win SBs without a good defense, Love won't either.

If Fat Mike is smart he'll borrow a page from the TB game and spread out the GB defense 5-wide, motion CeeDee into the slot, and end up with Preston Smith or Quay trying to cover him.

[RashanGary]

What I mean by savage and Owens being good, runPMC is that they’re kinda bad, but that’s really good compared to some of the guys Barry has had to put on the field. What I’m trying to say is he’s had to cover up horrendous secondary play, especially safety play and he did a good job.

[Joemailman]

Well?

[bobblehead]

Well?

Fire him...unless they do it in SF also.

[RashanGary]

It’s a kick in the dick to have Enagbare out. He’s not a great player, but he gave Gary a rest and he’s always feisty and active over there.

We do have three guys who can play now. Gary, Preston and LVN. If you play Gary and Preston 72.5%, LVN can pick up the last 55%. It’s workable.

And we have 4 interior guys who can play with Clark, Slaton, Wyatt and Brooks. You can go a little bigger too and eat up some of those snaps 55 was taking.


I don’t think the injury hurts us much with us having 3 playable edges and 4 interior guys. I wouldn’t want to lose another though. I’m hoping for a special run!