Rasul Douglas Traded To Bills

[run pMc]

At least some of the JSO beat writers thought Rasul would likely be cut for cap space this offseason. If true, getting trading to get another pick inside the top 100 isn't bad.

[RashanGary]

Gute and his team have been absolutely crushing the ball the last two years. I don’t know how many home runs they have, but they’re hitting for sick average with a lot of doubles at the minimum.

Something tells me Gute is gonna come up with a clutch hit on this pick

[Fritz]

If fat mike abandons the run like he is prone to do, Gary, Smith, Clark, Wyatt, Brooks can just pin back the ears. We can get after the passer when we don't worry about the run. How committed fat boy is to the run will probably dictate if we win this game or not. If he forgets that running is an option, they probably only score 24-27 on us and we have a shot.

Lets be honest, based on play this season we are over matched. But if fat mike has shown me nothing, he has shown me he can coach his way out of the playoffs.

My cousin is a huge Dallas fan. I told him we Packer fans used to call him "Fat Mike." He told me Cowboys' fans call him "Dumb Fat Mike."

I have been thinking along the same lines as you - in a tight game, Mikey used to abandon the run. IF the Packers can keep it close and Mikey does that, the Pack has a chance. That, or if the Packers can get out to a lead in the second quarter.

PS - Bobble, just go ahead and take that 'bad guy' role. What the hell, right?

[texaspackerbacker]

Most Cowboy fans I know are glad to have McCarthy and more glad to have Jerry Jones effectively as GM. They should be.

[Patler]

I doubt they would have made the trade if they had suspected any one of the following:

- the season would abruptly pivot toward a run to the playoffs.
- Alexander would have a lost season and be questionable for the playoffs.
- Stokes would be unable to get away from IR.

That all have occurred is unfortunate.

The way I looked at it at the time was that they had 3 starters (Alaxander, Douglas, Stokes) and one potential starter (Vallentine) for just two spots, since none seemed right for slot or a move to safety. They also seemed to have the backup/ST guy in Ballentine. The only one tradeable for value was Douglas, so they made the move.

I am OK with it. Roster management is always a mixture of looking at the present and building for the future. Two months ago it leaned strongly toward building for the future and making the trade supported that.

[bobblehead]

Patler, of those 3, only the pivot was unlikely in most eyes. Jaire has had trouble staying on the field for quite some time now and gave no indication it was going to change. Stokes might NEVER be the same again.

I get that the cap purge/fix was on and that factored in a lot. But even if this season was a loss, for his level of play Rasul is on a decent contract. I would be surprised if the Bills cut him after the season. He is also closing in on 30 and at CB that means the end is near. But again, I am not only going to miss him Sunday, but all next year as well.

[RashanGary]

Patler, of those 3, only the pivot was unlikely in most eyes. Jaire has had trouble staying on the field for quite some time now and gave no indication it was going to change. Stokes might NEVER be the same again.

I get that the cap purge/fix was on and that factored in a lot. But even if this season was a loss, for his level of play Rasul is on a decent contract. I would be surprised if the Bills cut him after the season. He is also closing in on 30 and at CB that means the end is near. But again, I am not only going to miss him Sunday, but all next year as well.

In the grand scheme, two years of a solid player on a decent contract is like winning a small pot. The draft pick has a chance to be a loss of that small pot or an equal win or a much bigger win. Let’s just see it play out before we start counting the loss without measuring the gain.

[sharpe1027]

Right...but its also hyperbole to say we didn't suffer for losing Douglas. We did....and in the playoffs I would really like to have him.

Its ok if you use hyperbole, just don't call me out when I do it back like I'm the bad guy.

I was assessing what we really lost. I suggested the drop-off in play wasn't very noticable and it probably didn't change the outcomesof any games.

You tell me if that's equivalent as saying out defense hasn't stopped anyone, so losing our most dominant pass rusher wouldn't have mattered.

[Patler]

I thought it was the Packers 5th, not 4th? Right now it looks like a move of about 70 spots if it is the Packers 5th. That's very significant, in my opinion.

I just looked it up. You are half correct, it was a 5th. According to the article they should move up roughly 47 spots. You also once pointed out the comp picks so maybe more like 55. Its not nothing, but its no where near Douglas' value.

I think I'm fully correct!
How old is the article you read? Were they assuming GB would be in the top of the rounds?

If the draft were held on the current records, they would move from 19th in the 5th to 24th in the 3rd. Thats nearly 60 more players available to them just there. Then add in the comp picks at the ends of the 3rd and 4th rounds they will also leap frog (10 or so, give or take) and you get close to 70.

Now we know.
Packers received pick #91 from the Bills.
Bills received pick #159 from Green Bay.
A move of 68 picks for Douglas.

[Frozen Tundra]

Now we know.
Packers received pick #91 from the Bills.
Bills received pick #159 from Green Bay.
A move of 68 picks for Douglas.

Considering where we are at safety now, I'm not so sure I wouldn't like to have just kept Rasul and picked #159.

But hindsight is easy. Things looked a lot different that week.

[Patler]

Considering where we are at safety now, I'm not so sure I wouldn't like to have just kept Rasul and picked #159.

But hindsight is easy. Things looked a lot different that week.

I liked Douglas, but don't see how having him would improve the outlook at safety. Having the higher draft pick might be a better asset to use for improving the safety position.

[Joemailman]

Trading Rasul didn't hurt the Packers at all. Valentine and Ballentine played statistically better than Rasul had been playing. Rasul played much better for the Bills than he had been playing for the Packers. Gute cleared some cap space and got a 3rd round pick while giving up a 5th. Valentine and Ballentine gained some valuable experience. The Packers secondary is in better shape going into 2024 because of that trade.

[MadtownPacker]

Agreed Mr. Cartero, have to cut some big branches sometimes so the tree grows stronger over time.

[Fritz]

Now they just need to scour the draft for a corner or safety whose last name rhymes with “Valentine” and “Ballentine.”

I know how to build a roster.

[bobblehead]

Now we know.
Packers received pick #91 from the Bills.
Bills received pick #159 from Green Bay.
A move of 68 picks for Douglas.

And if you read my last handful of posts I feel pretty smart anyway. Fat mike coached his way out of the playoffs.

Losing Rasul may have cost us an Owl birth...we shall never know for sure.

I would like to have Rasul playing safety or CB for us next year instead of moving up those 68 spots.

And to sharpe I would say....our D was playing like hot garbage, so saying that their was no drop off was hyperbole. I admit, it didn't go to hot steaming garbage when we traded Douglas.

Patler, I maintain what I have said all along. What we gained is not good value for Rasul. He was a baller and had a positive impact on team mates. When we traded down and "lost out" on Branch, look at what we got with those picks. Moving up blows up as often as it works, and in this case we gave up a legit proven NFL DB.