Matching Up With the Niners

[run pMc]

And that one loss was bullshit, because Rice fucking fumbled.

yes, yes he did. Incredible that wasn't ruled a fumble.

[KYPack]

And that one loss was bullshit, because Rice fucking fumbled.

You betchum he lost that ball from here to there.

Thx for reminding me.

I'm working up my Niner hate.

1. Wring that tiny Purdy's neck. He's a little shit and gets rattled when tagged.

[George Cumby]

^ The Ravens showed the way, they beat him up a little and the yips set in.

[Fritz]

Deebo, Aiyuk, Kittle, Juice Check and CMC are kind of their clear and obvious best 5. It’s a versatile group that relies a lot on tying the run game to the pass game and keeping defenses off balance with that unpredictability.

Purdy kind of has it made with the situation he’s in. He can throw check downs, screens and every other variety of high percentage, rhythm building passing plays. And the guys he’s throwing to can all turn those into nice chunks. He also has a very good run game to lean on. The left side of their OL is big and dominant moving guys off the ball. And the right side is athletic and can pull. They love to run left behind those big guys and pull an extra big guy to further that advantage. They play with a full back and tight end who can block and catch, so again, that’s an advantage for the run game.

They have good pass catchers and a QB who can distribute so they’ll kill you quick if you try to leave your guys on islands.

It’s a bad matchup for our defense and every defense.


We can come out “aggressive” and leave guys on islands to put our energy toward stopping the run and maybe getting quick pressure on the QB. But if you do a lot of that, you’re pretty much relegating yourself to giving up a ton of points and almost guaranteeing you lose the game before the first half is even over.

You have to pick your spots.

SF likes to get cute and can sometimes step on their own toes. I think you want to come out with a general identity of bend but don’t break and hope they make one of their regular cutesy mistakes. I don’t think you can rely entirely on a bend but don’t break philosophy though because SF has a really strong run game and really good red zone targets. Frankly, you’re probably going to break, but at least it’s not going to be instantly and maybe you’ll get lucky and stop them a time or two in the redzone, where the advantage goes to the defense.

But off of that bend but don’t break, I think you want take a few chances. Not often enough that the 49ers are calling plays to beat the helpless coverages you’re putting out there, but often enough that you’re not completely relying on them making a mistake.

Assuming you don’t do what fans always want and surrender before you even begin… assuming you give yourself a chance with a bend but don’t break game plan.

Assuming Joe Barry comes out like the quality DC he is and gives our guys a chance. Shannahan is cocky and he’ll shoot himself in the toes. Purdy does make mistakes and he could shoot himself in the toes as well. You can get a couple stops in the redzone, maybe a turn over, and your offense has a great night.

We can win. But we’re underdogs. Regardless, LFG with some Barry ball and win this thing like we have so many times the last few years!

“Assuming Joe Barry comes out like the quality DC he is” - you do realize that line undoes anything else you wrote up there. You could be proposing Eintein’s theory of relativity for the first time, and if you throw THAT line into it, you unravel everything else you’ve done.

“The quality DC he is”??!? This is his third stop as a DC. That’s like saying a $50 meth-addicted hoe who’s been in the biz for ten years is a high quality hooker.

It just ain’t so, Justin. But I think you like being the contrarian. However, when you’re doing it JUST to be contrarian, and it’s clear that is all you’re doing, then it’s just stupid.

[RashanGary]

Fritz, I’m being a bit of a contrarian with the hyperbole, maybe ever so slightly inching toward troll status. But truly, during the stretch the DEFENSE was struggling we were missing Jaire, Savage and Campbell was banged up. We had:

7th round rookie corner
Undrafted rookie corner
Special teams player nickle (who’s not horrible, but barely average)
Special teams player safety in Ford who is atrocious
And
Owens who’s maybe average and only because he can tackle.


The entire back end was a sieve based on TALENT.


So while I am exaggerating Barry’s greatness, it’s not coming from a place of being a contrarian. It’s coming from the place of being annoyed by the lazy takes about the coach that don’t bother to consider what he’s working with. You guys deserve it for being so silly.

[RashanGary]

What’s interesting about Joe Barry’s stint in Detroit is that in 2006 the lions were 30th in points against. Then 32nd in 2007 and 2008 with Joe Barry. And then 32nd again the year after he left.

It’s almost like the talent was the constant in those lions teams considering 3 defensive coordinators all finished as one of the worst 3 teams in a span of 4 years. And let’s not forget that Rod Marinelli was the head coach and the leader of the defense. He was a highly successful DC in his time in the league so maybe talent does play a role?

[smuggler]

About the only thing that might save us is the 49ers only have an average pass-blocking line. Other than their LT, they are pretty meh. Sadly, Gary has gone MIA and we just lost Engabare. We might not be in a position for the edge guys to exploit it, but maybe Clark, Wyatt, and Brooks can do some work...

Getting the early lead might be pretty imporant to slow down their run game.

[RashanGary]

The other interesting thing about Joe Barry’s time as a defensive coordinator is that the year before he got to Washington they were 28th in points against. Then 17th and 19th with Barry and then back to 28th after he left.

Let’s say for shits and giggles that talent is part of the performance of a defense. With similar talent, Joe Barry was significantly better during his years than the DC before and after him.

How does that work?


I’m really not being a contrarian, I just can’t get over how much this Joe Barry hate has steam rolled. And I was already being critical of it before Jaire and Savage came back, so seeing the secondary play so much better with the weak links out just emboldened me more to harp on how silly you guys sound.

[Bretsky]

Joe Barry can go yesterday IMO. I think his game plans overall are sub par and predictable, and he doesn't adjust well.

[texaspackerbacker]

Owens has been better in coverage than he gets credit for. Rudy Ford did a damn good job as a Safety. Keisan Nixon had a few bad moments, but he also had some excellent ones - way more good than bad IMO. V and B -allentine both were above average cover Corners in comparison to the league in general, and in zone, arguably they played better than Jaire.

The jury is still out on Joe Barry IMO. His D has had a string of good games, and especially in the last one, it was scheme/changing things up in an effective way that did it. Hopefully that string continues this week. I and most people thought pressure was the key against Dak and the Cowboys. Joe knew better. I'm thinking again that we need a healthy dose of pressure on Purdy along with some switching to the umbrella coverage we saw against the Cowboys. We'll see what Joe thinks about that and if it works.

[run pMc]

The other interesting thing about Joe Barry’s time as a defensive coordinator is that the year before he got to Washington they were 28th in points against. Then 17th and 19th with Barry and then back to 28th after he left.

Let’s say for shits and giggles that talent is part of the performance of a defense. With similar talent, Joe Barry was significantly better during his years than the DC before and after him.

How does that work?

It can work a number of ways: the teams you face, injuries, roster construction, luck, etc. Being ranked 17th is still bottom half, although barely. GB's defenses have often been ok to good in points against, but at leasst some of that is masked by the pace of their offense. Rodgers milked the clock all the way down to 0 constantly, and they have had a very slow pace offense (comparing # of plays and TOP) under MLF. If your offense is on the field, your defense isn't giving up points.

[texaspackerbacker]

LaFleur was smart to take the ball rather than defer, as Barry's D generally is better at the beginning of a game than it is after the opponent adjusts and he tends to not be good at countering the adjustment. Jump on them early, get a stop, then jump on them again, and maybe you limit the things they can do.

[MadtownPacker]

I agree, the decision to take the ball may have been the game winner. Packers came right out and punched the cowboys in the mouth. Put them in a daze that wouldn’t wear off. The equivalent of walking up to a group of motherfuckers and knocking out the baddest one. The rest of the crew immediately doubts how tough they really are. I’m still kinda blown away how dominating it was.

Should they do the same thing Saturday if presented?

[texaspackerbacker]

I'd say yes because of Barry.

[George Cumby]

I agree, the decision to take the ball may have been the game winner. Packers came right out and punched the cowboys in the mouth. Put them in a daze that wouldn’t wear off. The equivalent of walking up to a group of motherfuckers and knocking out the baddest one. The rest of the crew immediately doubts how tough they really are. I’m still kinda blown away how dominating it was.

Should they do the same thing Saturday if presented?

Fuck yes.

We are gonna' take this ball and fucking score and there is nothing you can do about it.