Packers Offseason/Free Agency Thread

[texaspackerbacker]

Who do you have in mind, cmi? I can't think of any that got shipped off or are in danger of that who didn't need shipping off for quality reasons.

run pMc, Of course there are limits unless you get way beyond the bounds of reason, things can be done.

I should have been more clear about RG's 5 year thing. I assume that references the limit on prorating bonuses. True as far as what can be done at the present, but 2, 3, 4, 5 years down the road, you can do the same, either extending somebody or with other players.

[call_me_ishmael]

The two guys that are sure-fire hall of famers that were here last year and won't be here next year. That said, in general, I agree with you, but the bill does eventually come due. There's a middle ground. The Packers approach probably would have been fine if not for the covid year tbh. Lots of teams were paying the piper the past few years due to the covid year.

[texaspackerbacker]

ok, but do they have names? I bet one of them is the sacred cow - good riddance. Who else? Surely you don't mean Campbell? Aaron Jones? He's gonna be here. Jaire? Probably he stays too, and he's got a way to go before he's HOF material.

[ThunderDan]

ok, but do they have names? I bet one of them is the sacred cow - good riddance. Who else? Surely you don't mean Campbell? Aaron Jones? He's gonna be here. Jaire? Probably he stays too, and he's got a way to go before he's HOF material.

The fucking player who you were sucking his balls for years until he left. ARod.

[texaspackerbacker]

So by "last year", you mean (or thought he meant) 2022? Maybe you've been doing too many people's taxes hahahahaha.

[Fritz]

Every cent paid to a player is added up and cannot exceed the threshold of the “salary cap”

As such, a team can only spend a limited amount of money regardless of how much money they have in their coffers.

Since the salary cap is annual, a better way to look at it is as a 5 year pool of money vs a one year cap since there are ways to spread the money given now over 5 years. Since the salary cap goes up, paying later creates a situation where the same dollar amount paid now is a smaller amount of the cap later. Most teams always push out to maximize what they can spend now and not feel it as much later with the larger cap.

However, Packers, no matter how much money they have, could not afford to pay Jordan Loce 400M a year for the next 5 years because no matter how much you spread that out, it still exceeds the maximum allowed to spend.

The limit of what they can spend is not what they have in the bank, but it’s also not as rigid as a one year 260M cap either.

That helps me understand, thank you. I DID ask people who had knowledge to respond, but I should have specified “knowledge of facts” because APB’s response assumed I meant “knowledge of fantasy.”

[RashanGary]

Tex and APB, pay Love 1B a year for 15 years and make it fit in this cap scenario.

Projected cap increases of 10% per year

2024 250M
2025 275M
2026 305M
2027 335M
2028 370M
2029 410M
2030 450M
2031 505M
2032 555M
2033 610M
2034 670M
2035 740M
2036 810M
2037 890M
2038 980M
He retired after 15 years starting and any left over has to be split over the next two years assuming you have him retire on your terms and it can be split between two years

2039 1.1B
2040 1.2B

Use your fancy accounting and pay a guy 15 billion dollars to play 15 years and spread it over the course of those 17 years. Extensions, voids, signing bonuses. Cook the hell out of that cap and show how you can spend unlimited while staying under those numbers.

Cook that cap.

[Bretsky]

I don't miss the sh@tgag at all

[call_me_ishmael]

So by "last year", you mean (or thought he meant) 2022? Maybe you've been doing too many people's taxes hahahahaha.

This season isn't over, so last year would be the 2022-2023 season, correct.

[texaspackerbacker]

RG, you want to see how Love could make a cool billion in 15 years (actually not that unrealistic hahahaha - an average of 67 million a year).

You spelled out the primary way yourself with that progression of the salary cap.

What you do is start him out with a five year deal, maybe 80 million bonus plus salary of $2, 10, 23, 35. and 45 million for the five years - $185 million 5 year contract - $33 per season, probably a bargain. Cap hit would be $16 million plus the salary per year, not bad. Before the fifth year, you extend him for years 5-9. A bonus of $100 million (the 45 + 55 more), salaries of $5, 12, 28, 40, and 50 million. That's face value of $235 million for 5 years. Cap hit would be a very doable $20 million plus the salary. Before the last (9th) year, extend him again for 5 more - years 9 - 13, $125 million bonus (50 + 75 more), salaries of $8, 17, 30, 50, and 65 million. That's face value of $295 for 5 years. Cap hit would be $25 million plus the salary each year, not too bad with that expanded cap. Before the last (13th) year, extend him for 5 more - years 13-17, $130 million bonus, salaries of $10, 25, 40, 50, and 60. That's face value of $285 million. Cap hit would be $26 million plus annual salaries. That would add up to a billion. I think he would likely still be fit enough to play great those 16th and 17th seasons, but if you want to think he gets cut after 15 years, then that's dead money of $52 million - probably spread out with voided years.

Let CPA APB check my figures, but I'm pretty sure this totals to your billion and 15 years.

[RashanGary]

RG, you want to see how Love could make a cool billion in 15 years (actually not that unrealistic hahahaha - an average of 67 million a year).

You spelled out the primary way yourself with that progression of the salary cap.

What you do is start him out with a five year deal, maybe 80 million bonus plus salary of $2, 10, 23, 35. and 45 million for the five years - $185 million 5 year contract - $33 per season, probably a bargain. Cap hit would be $16 million plus the salary per year, not bad. Before the fifth year, you extend him for years 5-9. A bonus of $100 million (the 45 + 55 more), salaries of $5, 12, 28, 40, and 50 million. That's face value of $235 million for 5 years. Cap hit would be a very doable $20 million plus the salary. Before the last (9th) year, extend him again for 5 more - years 9 - 13, $125 million bonus (50 + 75 more), salaries of $8, 17, 30, 50, and 65 million. That's face value of $295 for 5 years. Cap hit would be $25 million plus the salary each year, not too bad with that expanded cap. Before the last (13th) year, extend him for 5 more - years 13-17, $130 million bonus, salaries of $10, 25, 40, 50, and 60. That's face value of $285 million. Cap hit would be $26 million plus annual salaries. That would add up to a billion. I think he would likely still be fit enough to play great those 16th and 17th seasons, but if you want to think he gets cut after 15 years, then that's dead money of $52 million - probably spread out with voided years.

Let CPA APB check my figures, but I'm pretty sure this totals to your billion and 15 years.

I said 15 billion dollars. I used a high number to show beyond a doubt that you can’t spend any amount you want.

[Fritz]

So how about that safety Jordan Fuller? Here's what Matt Schneidman of The Athletic wrote about him:

"A couple of names perhaps to watch? Safety Jordan Fuller, who had three interceptions, three forced fumbles and eight pass breakups in 17 games as a Rams captain last season. He’s 25 years old, played for new Packers defensive coordinator Jeff Hafley at Ohio State in 2019 and probably won’t be too expensive."

With those numbers, and with his youth, why wouldn't he be too expensive?

[Joemailman]

So how about that safety Jordan Fuller? Here's what Matt Schneidman of The Athletic wrote about him:

"A couple of names perhaps to watch? Safety Jordan Fuller, who had three interceptions, three forced fumbles and eight pass breakups in 17 games as a Rams captain last season. He’s 25 years old, played for new Packers defensive coordinator Jeff Hafley at Ohio State in 2019 and probably won’t be too expensive."

With those numbers, and with his youth, why wouldn't he be too expensive?

You would think he'd be in demand. Injuries might be a bit of a concern. Missed most of 2022 with a hamstring injury. Played in all 17 games in 2023 but missed Rams playoff game due to ankle injury suffered in last regular season game.

[ThunderDan]

You would think he'd be in demand. Injuries might be a bit of a concern. Missed most of 2022 with a hamstring injury. Played in all 17 games in 2023 but missed Rams playoff game due to ankle injury suffered in last regular season game.

With hamstring issues, he would fit right in.

[texaspackerbacker]

I said 15 billion dollars. I used a high number to show beyond a doubt that you can’t spend any amount you want.

Oh yeah, so you did. I think you know, that would be ridiculously unrealistic. What I gave you was sort of a "high normal" example. Obviously you can't do ridiculous things with the cap, but my point and what APB said also is that anything reasonable at all is very doable - no "cap hell"/no need for panicky fools to get all hyper about. And if a team doesn't do that, they put themselves at a disadvantage compared to teams that do - think Ted Thompson.