Would you rather have Aaron Jones or Josh Jones

[call_me_ishmael]

FIRST OFF, GUTEBAG completely JORDYNELON'D Aaron Jones this year. He wanted him to take a salary cut slightly over 50% of last year, "after" Aaron Jones helped out GB last year by taking a pay cut.

So let's not criticize anybody for holdouts; this was kinda cold.

Tom Pelissori reported this recently after chatting with Jones Agent. Noted it was a real possibility that GB was going to try to make Jones take a significant paycut. Also, Jones, we amicable about taking a restructure; had Gutebag offered a cutback to about 8MIL instead of the 6 MIL range he'd be a Packer.

So instead, we fabricate a 4 year 48 Million dollar contract for Josh Jacobs, who might be a better player and is younger in age but not touches.

But Year 2 of that deal, is for 14.8 Million. Play that back. This is basically a one year deal and then GB goes back to Josh Jacobs year after year to restructure. If that was the direction, we already had a stud RB willing to do that.

And Jones, after we waive him, we only get 5MIL of cap relief. GUTEBAG has veins of ICE.

After the end of season interview, UTEBAG was stupid enough to declare Aaron Jones was the heart and sole of the GB Packers and he would definitely be back with the Packers next season

HE FLIPPED; went cold, and sign a fairly comprable RB in talent, to basically a one year deal. .

Restructure Jones to a 2 year Deal, give him his 8 MIL this year, draft a RB in rounds 1-3, and call it day.

AND, use those Josh Jacobs funds for another safety or LB.

This is the obvious path IMO. We shall see what happens but on paper I really looks like he messed this one up to me.

[Frozen Tundra]

I think that in the longterm interest of the team, Jacobs is the smarter choice. As for which of the two I'd rather see playing in Green Bay next year, I'm leaning toward Jones.

A lot of people are parroting the line that "they're basically the same back, Jacobs is just a younger version." They're not the same back. I've watched a lot of Jacobs tape the last 24 hours, and it's alarming how many times I see him tackled from behind in the open field or angled out of bounds. I'm not used to seeing that when watching Jones; Jacobs is a good back with a lot of top-end tools, but he does not have that second gear that Jones has. He's got an excellent burst through the hole (probably similar to Jones), but once he's in the secondary he just doesn't have that breakaway speed that made Jones so explosive. So many 15-yard or 20-yard runs that look good until you realize Jones would have busted them open for 30 or 40.

I think a lot of Packer fans have become so spoiled by Jones that we don't fully appreciate how special he was. Statistically better than Ahman Green in almost every significant category, but he made it look so easy I think a lot of us came to take it for granted.

But given a choice between making a move a year too early or a year too late, this was the better option. Gute has decided that our Lombardi window starts in 24, rather than 25, and is not willing to risk wasting a year by relying on Jones to stay healthy a full season at age 30. Porbably the smart move, one that will pay even bigger dividends in 25 and 26, but right now it hurts.

[Fritz]

But is it a year too late with Jacobs?

[Spaulding]

Heart says Jones and head says Jacobs. Voted Jacobs and drank a few beers to wash the foul taste out.

[Deputy Nutz]

Jones runs like he is 230 and indestructible. He takes vicious hits and I am surprised that he had stayed productive to the age of 30. The Packers paid him well. The tires are worn thin, and he will still have some great stretches for the Vikings, but he isn't going to be an impact runner for an entire season. If he plays 17 games next year I will be really surprised.

[call_me_ishmael]

Jones runs like he is 230 and indestructible. He takes vicious hits and I am surprised that he had stayed productive to the age of 30. The Packers paid him well. The tires are worn thin, and he will still have some great stretches for the Vikings, but he isn't going to be an impact runner for an entire season. If he plays 17 games next year I will be really surprised.

This is probably true. My thought process was that AJO is _that dude_ come playoff time, where as I'm not sure Josh Jones can get it done in the playoffs and is more than just a guy. He is a nice runner but AJO is a dynamic runner. I would be very comfortable letting AJO take it easy until playoff time. Give him the Kawhi treatment.

[Deputy Nutz]

But you don't pay two running backs a combine 24 million dollars, Jones needs to be in tandem with another back, and that back also needs to eat and be effective.

[bobblehead]

Man you guys are heartless. Give me AJO all day. Better player, better human.

I mean, Josh Jones is a safety so we have a bigger need, but he is a shitty safety so there is that.

Seriously, at least get the players right.

That said, I would have just stuck with AJ and drafted guys. But this heartless talk is just silly. Its funny how someone like you always points out the NFL is a business when players make business decisions, but when a GM realizes that 26 years old compared to 29 (30 in 2024 season) is night and day then he is a heartless bastard. Gutes did what is right for the Packers. That is his job. If Love turns down $40 million per annum is he being a heartless bastard or is he doing what is smart for Love?

[bobblehead]

This is the obvious path IMO. We shall see what happens but on paper I really looks like he messed this one up to me.

No, on paper he probably nailed it. But in terms of fans/locker room he probably got it wrong. I'll tell you what. If you want to place a friendly wager of $1 or $100 I will bet you Jacobs has a much better year than AJ next year...by much better I mean 20% more rushing yards and equal receiving yards. Jacobs has been much better than AJ over the past 3 seasons, all while playing on a dysfunctional team. Smart money says he is again.

[bobblehead]

I think that in the longterm interest of the team, Jacobs is the smarter choice. As for which of the two I'd rather see playing in Green Bay next year, I'm leaning toward Jones.

A lot of people are parroting the line that "they're basically the same back, Jacobs is just a younger version." They're not the same back. I've watched a lot of Jacobs tape the last 24 hours, and it's alarming how many times I see him tackled from behind in the open field or angled out of bounds. I'm not used to seeing that when watching Jones; Jacobs is a good back with a lot of top-end tools, but he does not have that second gear that Jones has. He's got an excellent burst through the hole (probably similar to Jones), but once he's in the secondary he just doesn't have that breakaway speed that made Jones so explosive. So many 15-yard or 20-yard runs that look good until you realize Jones would have busted them open for 30 or 40.

I think a lot of Packer fans have become so spoiled by Jones that we don't fully appreciate how special he was. Statistically better than Ahman Green in almost every significant category, but he made it look so easy I think a lot of us came to take it for granted.

But given a choice between making a move a year too early or a year too late, this was the better option. Gute has decided that our Lombardi window starts in 24, rather than 25, and is not willing to risk wasting a year by relying on Jones to stay healthy a full season at age 30. Porbably the smart move, one that will pay even bigger dividends in 25 and 26, but right now it hurts.

Jones benefitted from a coach that stresses and practices second level blocking. They have missed similar games the last 4 years, but Jacobs workload was far greater. I love Jones, but Jacobs is a superior back at this point....but probably not 50% more in salary superior.

[Sparkey]

Aaron Jones has great vision and plays like a beast, BUT he is coming to that age where rb's just become bad, or always injured or both. I also think, for a guy who only played a third of the offensive snaps last year, the pay cut ask was appropriate.

Josh Jacobs is a beast. McDaniels totally f'd up that Raiders team and Jacobs was much better when Pierce took over as HC. Josh Jacobs is like a combination of Thurman Thomas and Emmitt Smith. The guy has vision, great lateral agility and quickness and is excellent at one cut runs and a most excellent stiff arm. The only thing he does not have is elite speed. Color me EXCITED AS HELL that he is a Packer!!

Check out this read: https://www.nfl.com/news/back-2-campus/a-star-is-born

[sharpe1027]

Jones was a higher risk option. I think they can kick the tires in some young unproven backups during training camp now. With Jones they would have probably needed to bring in a veteran since even best case, they would give significant snaps to the #2 back with Jones.

[call_me_ishmael]

No, on paper he probably nailed it. But in terms of fans/locker room he probably got it wrong. I'll tell you what. If you want to place a friendly wager of $1 or $100 I will bet you Jacobs has a much better year than AJ next year...by much better I mean 20% more rushing yards and equal receiving yards. Jacobs has been much better than AJ over the past 3 seasons, all while playing on a dysfunctional team. Smart money says he is again.

Stats often don't tell the whole story. I believe AJO is the superior player and so does everyone else.

[George Cumby]

Aaron Jones has great vision and plays like a beast, BUT he is coming to that age where rb's just become bad, or always injured or both. I also think, for a guy who only played a third of the offensive snaps last year, the pay cut ask was appropriate.

Josh Jacobs is a beast. McDaniels totally f'd up that Raiders team and Jacobs was much better when Pierce took over as HC. Josh Jacobs is like a combination of Thurman Thomas and Emmitt Smith. The guy has vision, great lateral agility and quickness and is excellent at one cut runs and a most excellent stiff arm. The only thing he does not have is elite speed. Color me EXCITED AS HELL that he is a Packer!!

Check out this read: https://www.nfl.com/news/back-2-campus/a-star-is-born

Good read, Sparkey.

Tough kid. I'm glad we got him.

[George Cumby]

Stats often don't tell the whole story. I believe AJO is the superior player and so does everyone else.

Ok, you believe that, apparently Gute, who might have more information than us doesn't, as far as everyone else? Jacobs isn't quite as dynamic, but his skillset is really impressive. Also, addressing your 'stats don't tell the whole story', that's true; Jacobs is a much better receiver than his stats show.