Official NFL Draft Day 3 (Rounds 4-7) NFL Draft

[George Cumby]

Lots of good buzz on most of these picks.

Obviously I don't know shit about fuck, and we won't truly know for three years, but I like this draft.

[RashanGary]

Lloyd 8+ ras
Hopper 7+ ras
Evan Williams 8+
Monk 9+
Oladapo 8+
Glover 4+
Kalen King 6+


Kind of different than gutes usual profile of 9+ guys. But he mostly avoided pedestrian athletes. 7.5 is kind of that magic threshold where it seems like guys don’t succeed often under that score.


The toughest and physicality is exciting. The football character was fairly consistent all the way through. The athletic level was about average for NFL players so they’re not completely overmatched physically. The Ras scores are a little higher than I perceived a moment ago. They’re just good enough, but not the usual 9+ Gute used to consistently draft

[beveaux1]

Last year we had Tucker Kraft, Wicks, Colby Wooden and Valentine with high ras scores in the 3rd round or later. This year, do we even have one?

Last year was supposed to be one of the deepest drafts in recent memory. This year is one of the least talented drafts.

Lucky we had a lot of early picks this year

[RashanGary]

Last year was supposed to be one of the deepest drafts in recent memory. This year is one of the least talented drafts.

Lucky we had a lot of early picks this year

I see. I just read up on it. Yeah, NIL is causing guys to stay in school. Eventually they’ll have to move on though. So that should only last for so long. We’ll just start seeing more seniors in a year or two.

[RashanGary]

Last year was supposed to be one of the deepest drafts in recent memory. This year is one of the least talented drafts.

Lucky we had a lot of early picks this year

This is actually a little exciting for our chances of taking a big step. Back to back elite drafts is already a nice feather in the cap to go along with getting the QB. But having 5 picks in the only part of the draft that’s worth a shit this year could mean that if Gute did well, we get better while most teams couldn’t load up this year.

[Scott Campbell]

Go back to the Rasul Douglas trade. Gute was willing to throw in a 5th round pick to get the 3rd round pick. That suggested to me that Gute sensed the value wouldn't be very good by the time you got to the 5th round.

I wouldn't have made that trade. Rasul was a really good player, and we probably didn't replace him even with all these picks this year.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

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[Fritz]

A lot of you have a generally bad attitude about the draft. I notice that none of you are being considered for a GM or scout position in the NFL.

I mentioned in another thread I was disappointed in Mark Tauscher's lack of knowledge about the Packers' draft. Maybe he's busy covering other stuff, I dunno.

But last night I listened to Mike Wahle on his "Block Party" podcast as he broke down some of the Packers' draft class. I learned a lot and was quite impressed with Wahle's seeming ability to break down the players' strengths and weaknesses. He didn't cover all the picks, but of those he did discuss, this is a kind of general summary of the players he liked, from most to least:

Jacob Monk - his favorite in the draft. Wahle said a few years ago he kept seeing tape on this one offensive lineman and he couldn't figure out why scouts didn't have him rated much higher, and couldn't figure out why he lasted until the fourth round. That was Zach Tom. Wahle has a similar feeling about Monk. He thinks, if Monk fixes some footwork and hand placement issues, he's going to be the starting center for this team in two or three years. Says he's got crazy-good bend, good hips, and his problems are all fixable.

Javon Bullard - Wahle loves this guy and thinks he can do it all. He thinks this guy CAN play deep as well as box. The only reservation he has is the size - he's concerned about whether Bullard can hold up at his size. But he loves this guy and thinks he's going to start sooner rather than later, and will develop into a really good player.

Marshawn Lloyd - Wahle liked this pick quite a bit. He thinks this guy is a change-of-pace back in a thick frame. He thinks Lloyd's fumble problems are an issue but a fixable one, and that this guy will be pushing AJ Dillon this summer for the spot. Loves his shiftiness and ability to break tackles, thinks he can develop as a receiver. Wahle likes the Lloyd pick.

Jordan Morgan - Wahle said nothing stands out on tape as far as one, specific physical ability, but that the guy does everything pretty well. He mentioned the guy, like Monk, has good bend and good hips, but that his footwork and ESPECIALLY his hand placement both need help. Lots of help. He thinks the guy will play and start in the NFL, but he actually thinks Monk may see the field before Morgan does. He thinks IF Morgan's going to play this season, it would have to be at guard. Wahle also laughs off the "short arms" stuff. Unless a guy has stupidly, stupidly short arms, Wahle thinks that whole "short arms" thing is just something analysts who don't know shit say to make it sound like they do. He said, and I'm paraphrasing, that no NFL defender goes into a game saying "Geez, I can't wait to abuse that offensive lineman because of his short arms." So he likes Morgan, likes his bend and his hips and his ability to move, but thinks he's got a lot of work to do to become an NFL starting tackle.

Edgerrin Cooper - He points out that the guy's over-aggressiveness can really cost him, that he can mis-diagnose sometimes and was used in an odd way, at least in the film Wahle watched - the Alabama / A & M game, in which Cooper was sent on blitzes constantly, and struggled at times to get home. However, he loves, loves, loves the attack mentality, the desire to meet the opposing back behind the line of scrimmage, the violence of the tackling. He thinks the flaws can be corrected, and if they are, this guy will be really good. HOWEVER, Wahle is really, really leery of 230 lb linebackers. He just doesn't think they can hold up. That's the biggest drawback he sees for Cooper - the weight.

Ty'Ron Hopper - like many of us, this pick was a head-scratcher for Wahle. He loves the guy's hitting ability and his down-hill approach, but says he's super raw. The biggest issue he has - just like he has with Cooper - is the weight. He thinks linebackers at 230 are just too light to take on blocks effectively.

Those were all the players I remember Wahle commenting upon. All in all, he was super, super jacked about Jacob Monk, and really really liked Bullard as well. Second tier, but guys he still really likes, are Lloyd, Cooper, and maybe Morgan. Dennis Hopper - a mystery pick.

[run pMc]

230 is pretty light to take on blocks, that's why a lot of LBs don't anymore... or don't do it well. You see a lot more of them trying to run around the block or beat the blocker to the gap.
Sending a 230 pound man to take on a 330 pound man in a full sprint is not going to end well for the smaller guy, at least not after a few snaps of it. It's how the game is now, with speedier backers who need to cover ground.

Hopper seems more eager to take on a block than Cooper, but Cooper likes to shoot gaps and is so fast. They will both be aggressive and can run. I think Hopper is easily LB4, but ILs get hurt a lot so he'll play. I hope Hopper plays as well as Dennis Hopper acted. He was a hoot in Blue Velvet.

[texaspackerbacker]

It's gonna be interesting to see how things will work with Halfley switching to 4-3. Cooper was listed supposedly as an Edge Rusher - an OLB in the 4-3.

[Fritz]

Isiah McDuffie patrolling the middle, most likely?

By the way, Mike Wahle was also very, very excited about the interchangeability of the safeties, as he thinks Bullard can play deep and close. He was pumped up at the possibility that the defensive pieces in general are interchangeable enough so that you don't have to try to constantly keep up with the offensive personnel/formation changes in terms of your own personnel. He really, really likes that idea.

[run pMc]

Isiah McDuffie patrolling the middle, most likely?

By the way, Mike Wahle was also very, very excited about the interchangeability of the safeties, as he thinks Bullard can play deep and close. He was pumped up at the possibility that the defensive pieces in general are interchangeable enough so that you don't have to try to constantly keep up with the offensive personnel/formation changes in terms of your own personnel. He really, really likes that idea.

Yeah, basically it will help disguise what the defense is going to do. and help them react to motion etc. without giving as much away or being out of position.
In GB's case, they'll be in 4-2-5 with two Will LBs, which leaves them a little light vs. the run but having one of those safeties up should help.


I think McDuffie will be the Mike to start, when they go with a base 4-3 (15-20% of the snaps). Maybe Hopper or Quay is eventually that guy.

[smuggler]

Hopper seems more eager to take on a block than Cooper, but Cooper likes to shoot gaps and is so fast. They will both be aggressive and can run. I think Hopper is easily LB4, but ILs get hurt a lot so he'll play. I hope Hopper plays as well as Dennis Hopper acted. He was a hoot in Blue Velvet.

Doesn't help he uses his body to take on blocks instead of his arms.

[Sparkey]

You can not like 230lbs lb's taking on lineman blocks as much as you can not like 250lb lb's trying to cover rb's out of the backfield.

Pick and choose.

[sharpe1027]

Doesn't help he uses his body to take on blocks instead of his arms.

That's understandable. Dennis was never the strongest actor out there.