Packer Rats Winners and Losers of GB VS NO

[Tony Oday]

6. KGB, didn't hear his name called once today. I don't even think he got a single hurry or pressure on Brees and then I was shocked to see that he had a sack of Brees for nine yards. when the heck did that happen? But most of the day Jamal Brown the second year player out of Oklahoma locked on to KGB and made him disappear. I also noticed that the Packer were quite liberal with their substitution of their defensive ends with Michael Montgomery, but mostly he was subbing for Kabeer. I notice on passing downs that Kabeer lines up so far outside that he limits his ability to use more than a speed rush on the offensive tackle. He doesn't have the arm strength to make a hump move to the inside or use a bull rush. He is simply useless at this point of the season.

This is just wrong KGB played a solid game today

Winners: Jennings had a decent game and is getting better
2nd Half Woodson he was playing bump and run coverage and excelled doing that
Favre- Proved he can still sling the rock and see the field

Losers:
1st half woodson played off teh line and was regularly burned by quick slants.

Coaching staff: We had this game on the rocks we just need to keep the foot on the Saints Neck but we couldnt. The secondary, which was supposed to be a strength, is not coached up at all. Shot should be drug out in the street and SHOT! he needs to be fired ASAP. He is terrible and it shows when he has our corners who love bump and run playing off and in zones when we are getting beat by short slants.

[woodbuck27]

Nice report Deputy.

Why do I feel so beaten up over 0-2?

OUR "D" made 57 tackles in the game. 4 Sacks and 1 pick and ZERO FF's

Their "D" had 64 Tackles,2 Sacks and 1 pick and ZERO FF's.

Our Team had 2 FUMBLES and lost one.

Their Team had 4 Fumbles and lost two.

Total "O" PACKERS = 403 Yards VS 401 Yards for the SAINTS.

PASSING PACKERS = 340 Yards and 1 pick.

PASSING SAINTS = 357 Yards and 1 pick.

RUSHING PACKERS = 61 Yards (Net)

RUSHING SAINTS = 48 Yards (Net)

KICKING PACKERS = 9 POINTS

KICKING SAINTS = 10 POINTS

PUNTING
.....................NO AVG I20 LG
S. Weatherford 4.. 46.5 0.. 52

PUNTING
...........NO AVG I20 LG
J. Ryan 6.. 47.7 0 ..57

THIS GAME is really close just looking at Stat's so far.


So where do they take over?

KICKOFF RETURNS
..............NO AVG TD LG
A. Stecker 3 19.7 0 22

KICKOFF RETURNS
.................NO .AVG.. TD.... LG
V. Morency ..1.. 28.0.. 0...... 28
K. Robinson 4 18.2..... 0..... 21

We do a little better there!


PUNT RETURNS

..............NO.. AVG.. .TD.. LG
R. Bush... 4.. ..9.0... 0..... 14
L. Moore.. 2... 14.0.. 0 .....25

PUNT RETURNS

...................NO...... AVG ..TD.. LG
C. Woodson..... 3.... 3.3... 0.... 9

We need someone to return punts !

The Saint punt returners Bush and Moore returned 6 punts for 64 Yards and Charles Woodson managed only 10 yards for us on 3 punt returns.I f you double his effort by hypothetically saying Woodson has 36 touchs on punt returns that same avg. would mean 20 yards for us or a Net Difference of 44 yards LESS THAN THE SAINTS.

Ryan averaged 1.2 yards more in his punts so where is the problem .How does OUR ST punt coverage look?

It was obvious to me that once we fell behind that the Game for us was on Brett Favre.

FAVRE to DRIVER no matter how well they do won't cut it in the NFL.

WE need more than DD and FAVRE as weapons or we lose 12 -16 games.

I don't feel that Greg Jennings isn't the #2 WR.

RECEIVING
.......................REC.. YDS.... TD.... LG
D. Driver........ 8 ...153...... 0..... 48
G. Jennings........ 6..... 67... ...1..... 23
A. Green........... .6..... 48...... 0..... 10
D. Martin..... .......6... ..44...... 0..... 11
B. Franks..... ......3 .....18...... 0...... 10
N. Herron........... 1....... 6...... 1...... 6
R. Ferguson.... 1...... 4...... 1...... 4

We need another WR and a TE to make plays.

It's shocking to see from you Deputy that Franks and Henderson gave up on a pass from in close for six and what instead was realized was a pick.What a huge TD that would have been as it turned out.

1. ON "O" we need a WR and a TE that can make plays.

2. We need better ST play in the area's of returning and covering punts.We need a REAL punt returner.Woodson hasn't ever been solid thee in the NFL..take a look.

3. I say bench Ahmad Carroll for a game. That's all he hears, unless M3 does what Mike Sherman did and has a private and short chat in his office. Like a 30 second.. "get your DAM act together NOW " Chat... and " also Ahmad.. next game I'm considering benching YOU - I expect more NOW from you, given your a first round pick and number of games YOU have played as a Packer ".

Time for hardball with Carroll.

4. We have to see Favre tossing the ball out of bounds on NO PLAY THERE situations.Maybe Brett is playing a tad paranoid as OUR Team today is not out in the OPEN at all like the Mike Sherman ERa.

These are my thoughtsafter a heartbreaking loss of a game we needed to win and sholuld have won.

GO PACKERS ! Over ALL you gave us more in week #2.

ONE STEP at a time.

[mmmdk]

Ryan, the Punter needs to be cut. Seriouslly, every time he kicks it, it's like your just waiting for the other team ot run it back.

I don't get it. Ryan punts 6 times for a 47,7 avg. and 41,2 net avg. I think Ryan has to get better with hang time but he's worth keeping - for now - like a lot of other players. I anticipate a roster overhaul, again, after this season. Too much shallow talent and vets that are way over the hill. e.g. KGB, Clifton, Franks, Henderson, Woodson & Green.

[packrulz]

Ryan, the Punter needs to be cut. Seriouslly, every time he kicks it, it's like your just waiting for the other team ot run it back.

I don't get it. Ryan punts 6 times for a 47,7 avg. and 41,2 net avg. I think Ryan has to get better with hang time but he's worth keeping - for now - like a lot of other players. I anticipate a roster overhaul, again, after this season. Too much shallow talent and vets that are way over the hill. e.g. KGB, Clifton, Franks, Henderson, Woodson & Green.

I thought Ryan had some great punts to the corner with good hang time, it's not his fault they return it 25-30 yds every time. The ST coverage sucks.

[swede]

Collins makes the losers list today. He had some bad coverage. He's got to get that fixed.

Like BF4 said above though, he played like an animal in the run game. He's tough as nails. He's got a few big plays in him this year. He looks a little lost in pass coverage though. He needs to get that technique down.

He didn't have that much trouble with coverage last year, did he?

Maybe the scheme and the coach are to blame here, and not the player.

Kurt Schottenheimer makes my losers' list.

[Ballboy]

I think of the KEY Losers is Bob Sanders. Apart from the individual play of a couple players, I felt his game calling was terrible. In the first quarter of the game, the defense was on the field for a LONG time. That tells me that they would get tired....sure enough, in the third and fourth quarters, we could get a consistent pass rush....why not blitz? Sure he did some times, but what really gets me is the 3rd down conversion rate in the second half for the Saints. I recall several time where it was third and long(greater than 6 yards) and the Packers rushed only 4 guys...I don't care who your DB's are, if the other QB has more than 4 seconds to throw the ball, I'll bet you he will complete it. Granted, in the first half we were able to get pressure with our front 4, but as I stated earlier, the D was on the field for a long time. Ever hear of "in game adjustments"? Why can't we send 5-6 guys every time? That still gives us 5-6 players to either play the zone or man-up? Were we playing against Mike Vick?

[Chubbyhubby]

Don't forget #22 Manuel. Put him on the LOSER List. He looked pathetic. He was supposed to be a good FA pick up instead in the last 2 games so far he looks lost, horrible coverage. Don't be suprise that the Packers finish the year at #32 agaist the Pass this year on D.

[RashanGary]

John Ryan might have a good average but he out kicks the coverage and it's his fault that teams keep bringing them back.

Carroll is a stud gunner. He's always there and he's an open field tackling machine. There are other young studs playing on ST's.

When your punter kicks line drives, his average will look good but the resutls will be bad. I would rather have BJ Sanders 41 yard high flyers that don't get returned than Ryan's 50 yard lasers that have already gotten returned for TD's. You can blame the coverage but when you give guys 8 yards of open field to work with because yoru haing time sucks, you have to expect bad things to happen. They did.

If John Ryan doesn't get that fixed he'll be cut. TT can only be so patient.

[Tony Oday]

John Ryan might have a good average but he out kicks the coverage and it's his fault that teams keep bringing them back.

Carroll is a stud gunner. He's always there and he's an open field tackling machine. There are other young studs playing on ST's.

When your punter kicks line drives, his average will look good but the resutls will be bad. I would rather have BJ Sanders 41 yard high flyers that don't get returned than Ryan's 50 yard lasers that have already gotten returned for TD's. You can blame the coverage but when you give guys 8 yards of open field to work with because yoru haing time sucks, you have to expect bad things to happen. They did.

If John Ryan doesn't get that fixed he'll be cut. TT can only be so patient.

Not a chance he will get cut. His punts are good and on the big return Poppigna missed the tackle.

[KYPack]

I think of the KEY Losers is Bob Sanders. Apart from the individual play of a couple players, I felt his game calling was terrible. In the first quarter of the game, the defense was on the field for a LONG time. That tells me that they would get tired....sure enough, in the third and fourth quarters, we could get a consistent pass rush....why not blitz? Sure he did some times, but what really gets me is the 3rd down conversion rate in the second half for the Saints. I recall several time where it was third and long(greater than 6 yards) and the Packers rushed only 4 guys...I don't care who your DB's are, if the other QB has more than 4 seconds to throw the ball, I'll bet you he will complete it. Granted, in the first half we were able to get pressure with our front 4, but as I stated earlier, the D was on the field for a long time. Ever hear of "in game adjustments"? Why can't we send 5-6 guys every time? That still gives us 5-6 players to either play the zone or man-up? Were we playing against Mike Vick?

If your defensive pressure requires consistent blitzing, you are gonna get beat like a drum. When you blitz, you are covering up a weakness. You must have pressure on the QB thru the down 4 with occaisional help from a 5th pass rusher. If you always send 5 and sometimes send 6, you will be gashed far more than you will ever succeed.

A 5 or 6 man zone has such huge holes in it, the pressure will never yield a sack before the offense burns it a big gain.

If blitzing was a magic elixer, all NFL DC's would blitz way more than they do. They don't, 'cause blitzin' gets ya beat.

[Partial]

I think of the KEY Losers is Bob Sanders. Apart from the individual play of a couple players, I felt his game calling was terrible. In the first quarter of the game, the defense was on the field for a LONG time. That tells me that they would get tired....sure enough, in the third and fourth quarters, we could get a consistent pass rush....why not blitz? Sure he did some times, but what really gets me is the 3rd down conversion rate in the second half for the Saints. I recall several time where it was third and long(greater than 6 yards) and the Packers rushed only 4 guys...I don't care who your DB's are, if the other QB has more than 4 seconds to throw the ball, I'll bet you he will complete it. Granted, in the first half we were able to get pressure with our front 4, but as I stated earlier, the D was on the field for a long time. Ever hear of "in game adjustments"? Why can't we send 5-6 guys every time? That still gives us 5-6 players to either play the zone or man-up? Were we playing against Mike Vick?

If your defensive pressure requires consistent blitzing, you are gonna get beat like a drum. When you blitz, you are covering up a weakness. You must have pressure on the QB thru the down 4 with occaisional help from a 5th pass rusher. If you always send 5 and sometimes send 6, you will be gashed far more than you will ever succeed.

A 5 or 6 man zone has such huge holes in it, the pressure will never yield a sack before the offense burns it a big gain.

If blitzing was a magic elixer, all NFL DC's would blitz way more than they do. They don't, 'cause blitzin' gets ya beat.

Tell that to Jim Johnson of the Philadelphia Eagles.

[Fosco33]

I'd say Jennings really stepped up for his second game. He's proven he has 'flashes of greatness' and we've seen areas for improvement.

I'd agree that Carroll and Woodson had subpar games - but I'd also say that the secondary, as a whole, played beneath themselves. Besides a few nice tackles by Manual and a great pick by Harris, what else could we be proud of - getting burned time and again or being way out of position.

Can you blame the players for the 2ndry's inefficiency? In part - yes - but we should be looking at Schottenheimer....

[superfan]

When your punter kicks line drives, his average will look good but the resutls will be bad.

True. But...

I would rather have BJ Sanders 41 yard high flyers that don't get returned than Ryan's 50 yard lasers that have already gotten returned for TD's.

I would rather have that too, but Sander was never able to prove that he was consistently able to hammer 40+ yard punts with hang time and no return. What you say here is precisely why Sherman drafted him -- to give GB a good net average on punts.

Unfortunately, Sander kicked way too many <40 yard punts that were returned, and provided no measure of confidence that he could kick GB out of bad field position.

If John Ryan doesn't get that fixed he'll be cut. TT can only be so patient.

Ryan is very low on TT's current list of problems. I would say that right now Ryan is serviceable -- not great, needs to work on his hang time, but there is some potential for improvement there. I can't think of any available punters I would prefer.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I agree about Ryan. I feel the same way about Rayner. Might as well let them develop on this team.

Rayner had as many touchbacks in this game as Ryan Longwell has had in an entire season since his first year or two in the league. Plus, he had two others that went 2-3 yards deep in the endzone that were returned. He has a big leg.

[mmmdk]

I agree about Ryan. I feel the same way about Rayner. Might as well let them develop on this team.

Rayner had as many touchbacks in this game as Ryan Longwell has had in an entire season since his first year or two in the league. Plus, he had two others that went 2-3 yards deep in the endzone that were returned. He has a big leg.

Yup, quite the surprise that guy Rayner. I think Rayner might struggle with his FGs this season but shoot, that kid has a HUGE LEG! I think we have Neil Rackers type of kicker on our hands. Let him develop. As for P Ryan, well, better hang time & we've got a keeper for ages. Let him play this year and enter next camp with competition - he should be better but it's not a given.